My Bible study

All these opinions and suggestions are great , and it is always worthwhile looking into and reading different ways of thought on Christian religion . But let's always remember there are a few core truths that are in all of them .......believe in the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit , except Jesus as our Savior and be the best you can both for yourself and your fellow man . Everything else is only there to lead you to these core truths which leads to your salvation.
 
I am a believer that we as a society tend to make things more difficult than they have to be . Finding meanings for words in the Bible or saying this religion is the true religion or just disagreeing to things that let's face it , most times disagreeing to things we don't fully understand anyway . Why must we always have to be stubborn, why not take the core beliefs that I just wrote in my previous post and enjoy one another .
 
I am a believer that we as a society tend to make things more difficult than they have to be . Finding meanings for words in the Bible or saying this religion is the true religion or just disagreeing to things that let's face it , most times disagreeing to things we don't fully understand anyway . Why must we always have to be stubborn, why not take the core beliefs that I just wrote in my previous post and enjoy one another .
Jesus said his yoke is light.
 
During my bible readings I usually will stop and meditate but not this time. I had a conversation about Adam and Eve. Has anyone every thought that Adam and Eve were not the only people God created?
I'm not familiar with anything in Genesis that might have inferred that. I do know that God makes reference to "We," as though He was not alone for Creation. I forget what the explanation is for the use of "We."

Have you read something that sparked this thought, Von, or is is a "just wondering"? And good for you for slugging though Genesis. If I had a nickel for every begat...
 
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I'm not familiar with anything in Genesis that might have inferred that. I do know that God makes reference to "We," as though He was not alone for Creation. I forget what the explanation is for the use of "We."

Have you read something that sparked this thought, Von, or is is a "just wondering"? And good for you for slugging though Genesis. If I had a nickel for every begat...

John B., I hope you remember that I am like a detective. So I detected yes. Since Adam and Eve were only mentioned how could their son Cain find a wife, huh? So that made me think that God just didn't create Adam and Eve.
 
John B., I hope you remember that I am like a detective. So I detected yes. Since Adam and Eve were only mentioned how could their son Cain find a wife, huh? So that made me think that God just didn't create Adam and Eve.
The theory as I just now read it is that "...Cain’s wife would most logically be one of his sisters or a close female relative from among Adam and Eve’s progeny. In the earliest generations, such marriage was necessary to fulfill humanity’s command to “be fruitful and multiply.” The theory continues that at such an early point in Earth's history, such intermarriage was the only way for the human race to expand. There are further theories that it wasn't wasn't until much later that "as mutations in the gene pool accrued," it became necessary for God to command that marrying close relatives be avoided (Leviticus 18-20). The laws handed down in Leviticus were written after Exodus from Egypt and during the wandering in the desert. My Quest Bible puts the date Leviticus was written at 1440BC.

Apparently, this topic has come up before. It never really occurred to me. I find it interesting that what we know to be necessary variation in the genes of parents is referred to as "impurities in the gene pool" that did not exist early on. As an aside (and to provide a frame of reference to the state of generations from that point forward), I read some time ago that there is enough genetic variation between first cousins that the risk of their offspring having birth defects is roughly the same as a woman giving birth at age 40. If I recall correctly, the risk is under 5%, perhaps as low as 3%. It struck me as being much lower than I would have expected.
 
The theory as I just now read it is that "...Cain’s wife would most logically be one of his sisters or a close female relative from among Adam and Eve’s progeny. In the earliest generations, such marriage was necessary to fulfill humanity’s command to “be fruitful and multiply.” The theory continues that at such an early point in Earth's history, such intermarriage was the only way for the human race to expand. There are further theories that it wasn't wasn't until much later that "as mutations in the gene pool accrued," it became necessary for God to command that marrying close relatives be avoided (Leviticus 18-20). The laws handed down in Leviticus were written after Exodus from Egypt and during the wandering in the desert. My Quest Bible puts the date Leviticus was written at 1440BC.

Apparently, this topic has come up before. It never really occurred to me. I find it interesting that what we know to be necessary variation in the genes of parents is referred to as "impurities in the gene pool" that did not exist early on. As an aside (and to provide a frame of reference to the state of generations from that point forward), I read some time ago that there is enough genetic variation between first cousins that the risk of their offspring having birth defects is roughly the same as a woman giving birth at age 40. If I recall correctly, the risk is under 5%, perhaps as low as 3%. It struck me as being much lower than I would have expected.
I did initially have that first thought about a sister as his wife.
 
I did initially have that first thought about a sister as his wife.
The article I read pointed out that because people back then lived for many hundreds of years but generations were still only 15-20 years apart, it might have been a female relative who was not necessarily a sibling. There was also some explanation that genetic "corruptions" compound over time, meaning that it makes scientific sense for that law in Leviticus to have eventually been necessary. I'd imagine that wandering through the desert for 40 years meant that there were a couple of generations created within those tribes, so it was time to diversify the pool.

Link to Bible Hub article
 
The article I read pointed out that because people back then lived for many hundreds of years but generations were still only 15-20 years apart, it might have been a female relative who was not necessarily a sibling. There was also some explanation that genetic "corruptions" compound over time, meaning that it makes scientific sense for that law in Leviticus to have eventually been necessary. I'd imagine that wandering through the desert for 40 years meant that there were a couple of generations created within those tribes, so it was time to diversify the pool.

Link to Bible Hub article
That makes sense. That's what I find myself studying or questioning and I always forget about how long they lived.
 
That makes sense. That's what I find myself studying or questioning and I always forget about how long they lived.
This is why I've occasionally sought out (but not found) a Bible Study group not attached to a regular church. Everyone's perspectives and questions deepen our mutual understanding...and it's interactive, unlike sitting through a sermon.
 
I always skip over the begats. ☺️ I think of the Old Testament as sort of being an oral history of the Jewish people, not a history of actual events. There was no writing in the beginning.

Moses is assumed to be the author of Genesis, which of course is based on oral history written with God's guidance. But the next 4 books of the Old Testament were known to be written by Moses as first-hand contemporaneous observations. Other O.T. books are a mix of real-time historical events and prophecy, with some psalms and proverbs sprinkled in.

The begats are a tough read, mostly because those names are so foreign to us. It's not an easy read, and you don't really absorb anything because the names sound random and made up to us.

Fun fact: The Old Testament has Major Prophets and Minor Prophets. The difference between them is the length of their books in the Bible, with the Major Prophets' books containing the most chapters. It has nothing to do with social stature or Biblical importance.
 
This is why I've occasionally sought out (but not found) a Bible Study group not attached to a regular church. Everyone's perspectives and questions deepen our mutual understanding...and it's interactive, unlike sitting through a sermon.

Yes, I get that. I guess that's why we have the Holy Spirit to help us as we study. It can be a struggle when there are many different interpretations of scripture in a group without an attachment to a church.
 
Moses is assumed to be the author of Genesis, which of course is based on oral history written with God's guidance. But the next 4 books of the Old Testament were known to be written by Moses as first-hand contemporaneous observations. Other O.T. books are a mix of real-time historical events and prophecy, with some psalms and proverbs sprinkled in.

The begats are a tough read, mostly because those names are so foreign to us. It's not an easy read, and you don't really absorb anything because the names sound random and made up to us.

Fun fact: The Old Testament has Major Prophets and Minor Prophets. The difference between them is the length of their books in the Bible, with the Major Prophets' books containing the most chapters. It has nothing to do with social stature or Biblical importance.
Oral tradition happened before writing and lineage was important. But I have not read nor would I remember all the begats. I know few beyond my own grandparents; which is kind of sad.
 
Oral tradition happened before writing and lineage was important. But I have not read nor would I remember all the begats. I know few beyond my own grandparents; which is kind of sad.
I didn't know any of my grandparents.

My mother was a WW2 bride and there were weird things from her early childhood she never spoke of. She inferred not really knowing what her last name really was, but she prattled about a lot of negative stuff that was fabricated. When she passed, we found 2 government issued (micro-fiche) birth certificates for her, each with a different last name. Her parents were divorced and her mother died young , and I believe her father remarried but passed when she was in her teens.

My father's parents were German immigrants and I vaguely recall him driving out of state by himself to go to the funeral of his last remaining parent when I was 4-5 years old. If I ever met any of them, I was too young to recall. An older sister tried to do the Ancestry.com thing, but records in both England and Germany were destroyed during the war.

Regarding writing...I read that the first evidence of a written language was in Mesopotamia around 3,400BC. Moses was born around 1,400BC.
 
I seldom discuss religion since I don't want to be the guy with the millstone around his neck and cast into the sea. I have studied religion for a long time, conventionally until 18 and going everywhere in college and beyond. I think belief in a religion is a good and helpful thing and I have no interest in trying to change someone's beliefs unless they are playing with Atheism, of which I have only known one person who was what I consider an Atheist...but he reconsidered his beliefs after he ha a bad heart attack. I don't know where he ended up and I don't know if he formed a Theist belief system or not as we only correspond at Christmas. His wife joined the Jehovah's Witness system while he remained an Atheist. He celebrates Christmas as a 'Civilizational Tradition" while his wife does not and they have been married for 60 years.
 
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