Are we doing church wrong?

Ken Anderson

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What is the primary purpose of the gathered church?

Meetings of New Testament believers appear to have been overwhelmingly oriented toward the edification of existing Christians, not the evangelism of outsiders.

For example:
  • Acts 2:42 describes believers devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching, fellowship, breaking of bread, and prayer.
  • 1 Corinthians 14 focuses on orderly worship so that the church may be "built up."
  • Ephesians 4 describes leaders equipping the saints for ministry and building up the body of Christ.
  • The pastoral epistles are largely concerned with doctrine, discipline, leadership, and spiritual growth within congregations.
When Paul writes to Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, or Rome, he is generally addressing people who are already believers. His concern is their doctrine, conduct, unity, generosity, and perseverance.

In Acts, we see evangelism occurring outside of the gatherings of believers:
  • In synagogues.
  • In marketplaces.
  • In homes.
  • Along roads.
  • In lecture halls.
  • Before civil authorities.
  • In an informal conversation.
Paul's missionary strategy was mobile and public. He went where unbelievers already were rather than inviting them to a church service and hoping they would come.

The modern model of bringing friends to church and letting the pastor preach the gospel to them doesn't seem to be the dominant New Testament pattern.

Early Christian gatherings weren't necessarily closed to outsiders. In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul envisions unbelievers entering an assembly and hearing what it said. He argues that intelligible worship could convict an unbeliever and lead him to acknowledge God's presence. So conversion within worship services did occur.

However, this passage treats unbelievers as visitors to a gathering that already exists for believers. The meeting itself is not described as an evangelistic event.

More importantly, the New Testament model places responsibility for witness on the entire body, not merely its paid staff and a few willing volunteer leaders.

The Great Commission was given to the disciples, but the pattern of Acts suggests broad participation. After the persecution following Stephen's death, Acts 8 says that ordinary believers who were scattered "went about preaching the word."

The apostles mostly remained in Jerusalem.

The language of Ephesians 4 is also significant. Pastors and teachers are not described as doing all the ministry themselves. Rather, they are to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.

The modern model in most Christian churches is one in which the pastors and staff perform ministry, while the members consume ministry.

Even churches that reject this idea tend to drift into it practically. People attend services, contribute financially, perhaps volunteer occasionally, but do not view themselves as personally responsible for disciple-making or evangelism.

Christianity's growth in the first three centuries was driven less by large public worship events and more by countless ordinary Christians influencing family members, neighbors, co-workers, travelers, slaves, merchants, and friends through everyday relationships.

The New Testament pattern appears to place the primary evangelistic responsibility on ordinary believers as witnesses in the world, while the primary purpose of the gathered church is the worship, instruction, discipline, and strengthening of those who already believe. Conversions could and did occur in church gatherings, but evangelism was not ordinarily centered on the gathering itself.

Perhaps the modern attractional church model came about because the clergy became professionals, while congregations became audiences. The New Testament reads more like a movement in which every believer is expected to be an active participant in both ministry and witness.

There are exceptions, of course, but the exceptions don't negate the rule.

Church bodies that are known for placing the responsibility of evangelism in the hands of regular church members are, for the most part, outside of mainstream Christianity, such as the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and some Pentecostal churches.

Many, and I would suggest the majority, of mainstream Christians consider overt proselytizing as socially awkward or even impolite. Statements such as "I don't push my beliefs on anyone" are offered as a virtue.

In the Early Church, there is an assumption that Christians will speak about their faith, not necessarily by standing on street corners, but neither by remaining silent. Followers of Christ are described as witnesses, ambassadors, those who proclaim the good news, and those who make disciples. The expectation seems to be that faith naturally spreads from one person to another.

The New Testament does not prescribe a single evangelistic method, however.
  • Paul reasoned in synagogues.
  • He debated philosophers in Athens.
  • Philip spoke to a single Ethiopian official on a desert road.
  • Priscilla and Aquila instructed Apollos privately.
  • Ordinary believers spread the message wherever they were scattered.
The method varied, but the participation was broad.

Many mainstream churches agree with this principle in theory. Pastors will often cite Ephesians 4, where leaders are to equip the saints for ministry.

The difference is in practice. Many congregations effectively operate on a come-and-see model:
  • The church creates a welcoming service.
  • The pastor preaches.
  • The music program attracts visitors.
  • Members invite friends.
Evangelism has been reduced to bringing someone to church with you.

In contrast, the New Testament model is a go-and-tell model:
  • Believers are scattered throughout society.
  • They engage people where those people already are.
  • The church gathering then strengthens those who believe.
Modern churches might simultaneously lament the decline of evangelism while unintentionally reinforcing a model in which the average member's role is largely attendance, giving, and volunteering.

In contrast, the early church expected nearly every believer to be a participant in the spread of the faith, even if not everyone had the same gifts or effectiveness.
 
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I dunno Kenny...


I have seen some ppl say Church is a form of control.. Trying to stop people from just doing anything..

I think just loving God in our own time IS BETTER THAN SOME RELIGON trying to control how we do it...
 
To answer the thread topic question, since the are 100's of ways different churches hold services, etc., I say folks pick a church that they feel best aligned with and feel that church is doing it right.

I don't think any of the churches today resemble the early church in the slightest. Several periods of changes from the original church and then churches that were born out of leaders claiming miraculous revelation. No one spoke English in the early church established in the mid East.

With all the instant forms of communication and ability to travel we have, we don't understand that the major reason early Christians gathered was otherwise they had no way of fellowship. There was strength in numbers and fellowship.

One thing I think the early churches did that is lost today, is their gatherings were more informal. Anyone could speak or sing and it was improvision, not studied or memorized. It came from the heart. They didn't have songs that all sang from books, one just started singing from what was on their mind. Praying was more of a personal thing, than a group thing, where a pastor prayed and the rest listened.

Churches are businesses these days and everything is organized, choregraphed, and carefully scrutinized.

I think why western Christian churches don't resemble the ones of old, is the western world doesn't understand the culture of the people in the early church, where oral tradition and observation, were before the written word that has been studied to the point of resembling beating a dead horse. Churches today are about their own doctrine.
 
Getting together with my little church helps strengthen me. I am amazed at the money spent in Rome for thousands of years instead of using it for the poor. Or on the temples of the Mormons or almost any large denomination.
 
No they certainly dont Kenny. We get alot of witnesses at our house. They tell me most ppl slam the door in thier faces..

They are just trying to spread the word :)
 
No they certainly dont Kenny. We get alot of witnesses at our house. They tell me most ppl slam the door in thier faces..

They are just trying to spread the word :)
That is what we were told to do in the original 'Church' of Christ, what the apostles set out to do. I would not join their churches but I have spent time listening and debating with them in the past.
 
My dad answered the door one day when they came.. That was not a good exchange.. (My dad isnt as nice as me)

You say that like you're proud. Why be hateful to people who have done no harm? Just say you're not interested and close the door.

And why do you insist on calling people "Kenny" or "Johnny" when that is NOT their name? Some people don't like it when liberties are taken.
 
I am neither a Mormon nor a Jehovah's Witness, but it takes a lot of courage to go door-to-door trying to reach people for your religion. Of the two denominations, the Mormons only do that for a year or two, generally while they are very young, while the JW's continue doing so, and I have to admire that. Other things that I admire about the Jehovah's Witnesses are that they don't use an ordained clergy (regular members give the sermon), and they are very quiet about giving.

Years ago, I invited the Jehovah's Witnesses into my house and met with them weekly for a couple of months before they finally gave up on me, and I attended the Kingdom Hall a couple of times. Unlike what I was told growing up, they aren't looking for your money. I have about a dozen JW books, and they wouldn't accept a cent for them, and when I attended the Kingdom Hall, no one passed a collection plate around. There was an unobtrusive box near the back of the room where someone could place a contribution. While members are probably expected to contribute, they aren't looking for it from visitors.

I've met with a couple of different pairs of Jehovah's Witnesses, and it seems that they generally pair a new member, usually younger, with a more experienced member, so it's kind of fun to address questions to the younger member. I also noted that when you meet with them, they have a prepared lesson plan, which doesn't include much from the Bible, not even their own Bible, and it throws them off when you take them off-topic on other Biblical questions.

When I worked EMS in Los Fresnos, Texas, the Mormons rented a house across the street from our station, so I got to know them on a personal basis, since they'd come by to talk quite a lot. They worked two-year missions, and they don't get to choose where they go or who they will be with. Someone in their first year of a mission will be placed with someone who has already been there for a year, and then someone else will take the first person's place after a year. One of the guys who came by probably wasn't the best Mormon in the world because he would complain about his partner and drink coffee when his partner wasn't around.

I didn't get into many theological discussions with the Mormons because they hung out with us during their off-time, I guess. When I worked at a paper bag company, one of my co-workers converted to the Mormon faith, but he was a jerk before he became a Mormon and was still a jerk afterwards.

Nevertheless, it takes courage to go door-to-door on a religious mission because most people will refuse to talk to you, and many of them are downright rude. When I was a child, one of my older brothers would brag about having sicced the dog on the Jehovah's Witnesses when they came around, and, even as a child, I thought that over-the-top rude. Our dog wouldn't have actually hurt them, but could put on a show of barking and growling. I could sic the dog on one of my brothers, and he'd do the same thing.

I am polite to them when they come around. I don't waste their time anymore inviting them in to try to convert me because that isn't going to happen, but I admire their willingness to try.
 
I am neither a Mormon nor a Jehovah's Witness, but it takes a lot of courage to go door-to-door trying to reach people for your religion. Of the two denominations, the Mormons only do that for a year or two, generally while they are very young, while the JW's continue doing so, and I have to admire that. Other things that I admire about the Jehovah's Witnesses are that they don't use an ordained clergy (regular members give the sermon), and they are very quiet about giving.

Years ago, I invited the Jehovah's Witnesses into my house and met with them weekly for a couple of months before they finally gave up on me, and I attended the Kingdom Hall a couple of times. Unlike what I was told growing up, they aren't looking for your money. I have about a dozen JW books, and they wouldn't accept a cent for them, and when I attended the Kingdom Hall, no one passed a collection plate around. There was an unobtrusive box near the back of the room where someone could place a contribution. While members are probably expected to contribute, they aren't looking for it from visitors.

I've met with a couple of different pairs of Jehovah's Witnesses, and it seems that they generally pair a new member, usually younger, with a more experienced member, so it's kind of fun to address questions to the younger member. I also noted that when you meet with them, they have a prepared lesson plan, which doesn't include much from the Bible, not even their own Bible, and it throws them off when you take them off-topic on other Biblical questions.

When I worked EMS in Los Fresnos, Texas, the Mormons rented a house across the street from our station, so I got to know them on a personal basis, since they'd come by to talk quite a lot. They worked two-year missions, and they don't get to choose where they go or who they will be with. Someone in their first year of a mission will be placed with someone who has already been there for a year, and then someone else will take the first person's place after a year. One of the guys who came by probably wasn't the best Mormon in the world because he would complain about his partner and drink coffee when his partner wasn't around.

I didn't get into many theological discussions with the Mormons because they hung out with us during their off-time, I guess. When I worked at a paper bag company, one of my co-workers converted to the Mormon faith, but he was a jerk before he became a Mormon and was still a jerk afterwards.

Nevertheless, it takes courage to go door-to-door on a religious mission because most people will refuse to talk to you, and many of them are downright rude. When I was a child, one of my older brothers would brag about having sicced the dog on the Jehovah's Witnesses when they came around, and, even as a child, I thought that over-the-top rude. Our dog wouldn't have actually hurt them, but could put on a show of barking and growling. I could sic the dog on one of my brothers, and he'd do the same thing.

I am polite to them when they come around. I don't waste their time anymore inviting them in to try to convert me because that isn't going to happen, but I admire their willingness to try.

I feel the same; it takes a LOT of courage to go door-to-door, especially nowadays. Last summer a JW walked up to us on a hot day while we were working in the front yard. My husband talked to him for a few minutes and got him a bottled water from the garage refrigerator, but he made it clear that we were not interested in his religion, and we were hot and tired. The man went on his way.

Also, my mother (and half my family) are Mormon. So you might say that I know quite a lot about Mormons; they are kind and generous people. My father (not Mormon) had many theological arguments with his brothers-in-law over the years, but no one got heated about it.
 
My best friend is Jehovah's witness . I don't agree with all of their beliefs but I fully respect them as I do with any faith or religion.
I honestly couldn't go round door to door preaching religion. I think they are indeed very brave to do so and I would never be rude to them.
My husband will happily chat away with them .
 
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