Which Is More Important To You - Faith Or Logic?

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  1. James Hintze

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    As I've argued before, if one has to separate faith from logic, then the faith isn't worth much. Again I mention Paul Tillich.
     
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    I think if anyone anywhere prefers and won't and is unwilling to give up comfort in this life, they won't have anything good at all to look forward to in the resurrection.
     
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  3. Lon Tanner

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    Why is it necessary for life to need or require a purpose? Isn't just living sufficient?
     
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    It is for me. But I have wondered many times about the "meaning of life." Haven't you?
     
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  5. Lon Tanner

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    No I never have.
     
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  6. Bobby Cole

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    Every living being has a purpose. Some by living and all by dying.
     
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  7. Jeff Elohim

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    Can I quote you ?


    :)
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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  9. Lon Tanner

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    What living thing s purpose is to die? Your talking gibberish again.
     
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  10. Jeff Elohim

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    Just one example (context, perhaps a lot of context, may be required though to understand.. or perhaps at least little context, but that's for later and another thread ? )

    John 11:50 You do not realize that it is better for you ...

    You haven't even considered this: It is better for one man to die for the people than for the whole nation to be destroyed." New American Standard 1977 nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish." King James 2000 Bible
     
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  11. Beth Gallagher

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    Lon is an atheist; I am agnostic. We don't consider the Bible verses to be indisputable evidence.
     
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  12. Jeff Elohim

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    No problem at all.

    For on-going atheists and agnostics, Jesus did not offer any help nor eternal life, nor atonement for sins. But Jesus let them go on with their lives, same as anyone else, if that's what they chose.
     
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  13. Lon Tanner

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    that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation should not perish.

    Now that makes sense to me even though I am a Atheist.
     
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  14. Beth Gallagher

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    As a child I could be frightened by fire and brimstone, but now "Jesus let me go on with my life" somehow doesn't make me any more inclined to believe.
     
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    It was never intended to make anyone more inclined to anything.

    People choose what they do, and Jesus protects their free will to do so, or so it seems, without pressure.

    He does not want robots, or religious motivated people - He wants little children who from their pure cleaned hearts trust their Father in heaven.
     
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