Our Aversion to Snakes and Spiders

It's not total, but nearly so. People show a widespread, unusually fast fear response to snakes.

Anecdotally, it seems that this is somewhat less in people who, like myself, grew up in an area without poisonous snakes, but the fear or aversion to snakes remains strong.

If you believe in evolution as the origin of humanity, it could be because our species, and the primates before us, spent millions of years under threat from venomous snakes.

Because venomous snakes were a major cause of injury and death among early primates and human ancestors, those who quickly detected snakes were more likely to survive and pass on their genes.

Primates evolve specialized visual sensitivity to snakes or even snake shapes, allowing for extremely rapid threat recognition.

From a little bit of research, I've found that people do show stronger autonomic responses (sweating, heart rate spikes) to venomous snakes than to harmless ones, but nearly everyone, including those who do not identify as being afraid of snakes, will demonstrate these responses even to harmless snakes. People show stronger responses to snakes than to modern threats like guns, perhaps because, as a species, we've dealt with threats from snakes longer than we have guns. This would correspond with additional data indicating that people have stronger autonomic responses to knives than to guns. As a species, we have dealt with threats from knives far longer than from guns.

People who grow up without venomous snakes often dislike them and will be startled when suddenly confronted with a harmless snake.

People in regions without venomous snakes often show less intense aversion, but the aversion doesn't disappear because the evolutionary predisposition remains, and the visual cues of snakes still trigger the fear center in our brain, even in people who claim not to be afraid of snakes.

Even among people with little or no experience with snake species, venomous species elicit stronger physiological fear responses than nonvenomous ones, suggesting that our brains can discriminate danger levels automatically. This isn't true in all venomous snake species, but it is in most.

Across cultures, snakes are often portrayed as evil, deceptive, dangerous, aggressive, mysterious, or untrustworthy.

Abrahamic religious traditions portray the serpent as evil and responsible, in part, for mankind's banishment from Eden, but that theme carries through to other parts of Scripture, including Christ stomping on the head of a snake.

Regardless of traditions, snakes are almost never neutral. They are either tempters, tricksters, destroyers, or guardians of forbidden knowledge.

This is seen not only in the Eden story but also in Greek, Mesopotamian, and Hindu myths. Quetzalcoatl, in Mesoamerican traditions, is portrayed as benevolent but still powerful, mysterious, and otherworldly. Even when the snake is portrayed positively, it's never mundane.

Cultures without venomous snakes still develop snake-as-evil stories, while cultures with venomous snakes often develop snake-as-sacred myths.

In Christian traditions, the serpent is the first deceiver, the creature that introduces doubt, temptation, and disobedience. The curse in Genesis (on your belly you shall go) frames the snake as permanently degraded and opposed to humanity. In later Christian interpretation, it became associated with Satan. Christ crushing the serpent's head becomes a symbol of triumph over evil.
Marie grew up in Stone Mtn, GA full of spiders and snakes. She has told a couple stories here about spiders and snakes, like the one about her mother getting bit by a rattle snake and almost losing her leg. She also grew up in Atlanta which seldom had snakes like the woods in Stone Mtn.
 
That's all well and good but I don't think I want to play with them. ☺️
As an animal lover, I'll play with anything that can't kill me. :giggle:
In elementary school. I was so bored with the subjects crammed down my throat like English Literature or History that I hid a book about animals on my lap while I occasionally looked up at the teacher to pretend I was paying attention.
I usually got away with it until one time I saw a shadow slowly covering the book & the teacher said, "Is that what we're doing now, Tony, studying about Black Bears?" I said, "Well, no." He said, "Pay attention" & made me close the book. I thought, "Well, anything is more interesting than Shakespeare." And, "I couldn't care less about the war of 1812."
 
Snake Island off the coast of Brazil was on the Science channel today🤢🤢


Snake Island (officially named Ilha da Queimada Grande) is a 4,921-foot-long island off the coast of São Paulo, Brazil in the Atlantic Ocean. It is famously restricted to the public and infamous for its massive population of the Golden Lancehead (Bothrops insularis), one of the deadliest venomous snakes in the world. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Facts About Snake Island
  • Location: Roughly 33 kilometers off the coast of Brazil's mainland.
  • The Snakes: The island is home to an estimated 2,000 to 4,000 Golden Lanceheads. They are highly venomous pit vipers that can melt human flesh, and they exist nowhere else on the planet. [1, 2]”
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Believe this or not, the narrator alleges the snakes are on the endangered list because people are sneaking onto the island and poaching them. They allegedly bring anywhere from $10,000-$30,000 per snake. No thank you.
 
Those huge UGLY yellow and black spiders that make the monster spider webs are back out again ! It seems like we do not see them early in the summer, but as we get closer to fall, they appear. Just in the last week, Bobby and I have spotted several of them around the yard, spinning their giant webs.
One year, one had a humming bird caught in the web, and the spider was happily heading towards the poor little bird to turn it into dinner. The hummingbird was fluttering frantically, trying to escape , and we had to rescue it before the spider got to the bird.
I am perfectly fine with spiders eating other insects, but not tiny birds.
 
Those huge UGLY yellow and black spiders that make the monster spider webs are back out again ! It seems like we do not see them early in the summer, but as we get closer to fall, they appear. Just in the last week, Bobby and I have spotted several of them around the yard, spinning their giant webs.
One year, one had a humming bird caught in the web, and the spider was happily heading towards the poor little bird to turn it into dinner. The hummingbird was fluttering frantically, trying to escape , and we had to rescue it before the spider got to the bird.
I am perfectly fine with spiders eating other insects, but not tiny birds.
Probably the "Orb Weaver." He was likely heading towards the hummingbird to see what was in the web. Their venom is barely strong enough to kill insects, and also harmless to humans. They don't eat birds or other animals.

  • Produces venom that is harmless to humans.
  • Females are brighter in color and three times larger than males.
  • Their presence helps rather than harms landscape and garden plants.
Their diet consists mainly of flying insects such as flies, mosquitoes, moths, and sometimes larger prey like grasshoppers. They play an important role in controlling garden pest populations.
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Bobby called it a garden spider, too. I am sure that @Tony Nathanson is correct, and they are not dangerous. But I do NOT like spiders at all, and I think that it LOOKS dangerous because of its size and vivid coloring.
Even if it could not eat that poor little hummingbird, that spider was heading right down there to see if she could eat it. And the humming bird thought that it was going to be spider food, I am pretty sure.

I used to handle the little garter snakes when i was a kid, but after living in Missouri and being bit by a copperhead, now, i do not like ANY snakes either.
 
Probably the "Orb Weaver." He was likely heading towards the hummingbird to see what was in the web. Their venom is barely strong enough to kill insects, and also harmless to humans. They don't eat birds or other animals.

  • Produces venom that is harmless to humans.
  • Females are brighter in color and three times larger than males.
  • Their presence helps rather than harms landscape and garden plants.
Their diet consists mainly of flying insects such as flies, mosquitoes, moths, and sometimes larger prey like grasshoppers. They play an important role in controlling garden pest populations.
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We always called them banana spiders. It has been my observation down through the years that the design they make in the center of their webs is a replica of what is on their backs.

One year I had a banana spider make her web attached to the side of my barn and the back of the picnic bench that was in front of it. She had seven pods of eggs by the end of summer, but I don’t think any of them hatched. I also noticed that like black widows these female spiders kill the male. I watched her do it.

She actually became friendly with me and would stop hiding whenever I came through with the mower. I felt bad when fall came along as her entire head started to turn gray. I wanted so much to save her, but I knew that was futile . She was a nice garden spider and ate a lot of bug bugs.
 
Bobby called it a garden spider, too. I am sure that @Tony Nathanson is correct, and they are not dangerous. But I do NOT like spiders at all, and I think that it LOOKS dangerous because of its size and vivid coloring.
Even if it could not eat that poor little hummingbird, that spider was heading right down there to see if she could eat it. And the humming bird thought that it was going to be spider food, I am pretty sure.

I used to handle the little garter snakes when i was a kid, but after living in Missouri and being bit by a copperhead, now, i do not like ANY snakes either.

Snakes seem to be busier than normal this year. I have a picture of the snake skin that was shed inside my Hay, stall. We are pretty sure it was a younger rat snake at least I sure hope it was. There is a video of a big rat snake crawling out from under the hood of a car as the car was driving down the road they captured it on camera. It rolled itself to the side of the car and just fell off like nothing and the car kept going to soccer practice lol lol

There was another video on the same TV station that somebody took of a timber rattler very casually crossing the road a few weeks back.

I think all this extreme heat is bringing them out when they don’t normally come out.

No pun intended, but I am not normally too rattled by snakes because Mississauga swamp rattlers were in my area growing up. One year baling Hay, across the road. I picked a bale up and the Neighbor Kid said drop it and drop it now. I did because I knew why he said that. Thankfully, all that was left of the rattlesnake in the hay bale was the back end of it. . Unbelievably Mississauga Swamp rattlers ended up on the endangered list. I don’t know if they still are because I don’t keep up with that stuff.

Middle Tennessee has four venomous snakes: water moccasins. a.k.a. cottonmouth, copperheads, timber rattlers, and pygmy rattlers, which are supposed to be the most dangerously venomous of all the snakes listed. I don’t want bit by any of them.
 
Good morning to all-

Connie Bennett-

I too have experienced some interesting things while baling or feeding hay to livestock. And I will confess, I am glad that I don't have to worry about either baling or feeding hay anymore. Baling hay- especially the old small square bales- is just about as close to hard work as I ever want to get- just sayin'.

One year I bought a few large round bales to get me and my cattle through winter. The cows ate up every bale except one- they left it totally alone. The next spring I had to break the bale open to get it out of the way, and when I did, I found a dead skunk that had been baled up in the hay. I guess the cows knew what they were doing- or not doing...

I never saw any snakes while working hay- they may have been there, but I didn't see them, so that's fine. I did get to see- and feel- yellowjacket wasps- and I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have had to deal with a serpent...

you all be safe and keep well- Ed
 
I too have experienced some interesting things while baling or feeding hay to livestock. And I will confess, I am glad that I don't have to worry about either baling or feeding hay anymore. Baling hay- especially the old small square bales- is just about as close to hard work as I ever want to get- just sayin'.
True enough. My cousin and I took a job baling hay for someone in town (I was related to them in some way, but never knew how) one summer when we were about 14, and not only was it a lot of work, but baling season came in the hottest part of summer in Michigan. It would start easy enough with an empty wagon, but by the time we were loading four, five, or six tiers up, it was nearly impossible to keep up, and the baler would jam if we got behind. I don't think I ever had a job that was harder than that, and in the end, he didn't even pay me. My uncle got my cousin paid, but my dad just said I should have worked that out before I took the job. These were large, compacted, rectangular bales.
 
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