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Everyone has varying tolerances and intolerances, but someone in an apartment building doesn't generally have a lot of power when it comes to enforcing their intolerances. This occurs with people in houses, as well, particularly in suburban environments, although not as often, given distance and fences. We had a neighbor, adjacent to us to the north, who decided to run a literal kennel from his side yard, the side facing our property, raising dogs for sale who barked more often than they slept. It was annoying, but just like the railroad when it still ran to the Great Northern, barking dogs soon became mere background noise. Another neighbor, across the street, was infuriated and made several complaints to the town and the police department, and the guy got rid of the dogs and soon moved. Similarly, the noise of children doesn't usually bother me. At times, they can be annoying, but just as often, the sounds of children playing are pleasant. I don't expect everyone to be as tolerant of such things as I am, but that is a tough balance to achieve in a city apartment building with a wide variety of tenants.

I was a single parent in California when they did away with 55+ apartment buildings, although I think they left some exceptions. Before that, it was tough for a single parent, in particular, to find a decent place to live, perhaps because the assumption was that the child was going to run wild while the parent was at work. So, I was happy when they did away with that and moved into a nice, formerly 55+ apartment building near Angel Stadium and my workplace in Anaheim. At that time, the Anaheim schools were much better than the Long Beach schools, and the apartment was actually a townhouse, where we didn't have anyone above or below us, and the walls seemed to be well-designed because I never heard anything from the neighbors on either side of me, nor were they complaining about my son's stereo, although I did emphasize sound levels.

Had I been a senior citizen who had moved there specifically because it was a 55+ environment, I probably wouldn't have been as pleased to have a single man move in with a son, although the layout, being townhouses rather than apartments on top of one another, probably helped.
 
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Basically, to end this, none of you live in the same situation we do. IOW, you don't live under a small child running, jumping across your ceiling and it's pretty loud. I recorded the running/jumping on my iPhone and the sound was pretty loud. So, if you don't live under this circumstance, it's pretty hard to understand. Also, the mother doesn't care at all who lives below her and lets her daughter run and jump as much as she wants to. The good thing is, the noise has quieted down quite a bit since the first week we lived here. It's much more tolerable now, but the little girl can still get a little rowdy above us and the mother doesn't care.

Now that the noise is less, it's more comfortable for us to live under. We are continuing to make our apartment into a rodeo, tv westerns, Indian/native american and old west museum of pictures on our walls.
 
We just happen to now live in an apartment complex that is full of very young folks, as in college age or even younger. The complex we lived in before, which is located on the other end of the city, was made up of young, middle aged, old-to-much older folks. We chose this complex because it is much closer to the major hospital where I was admitted twice in early 2023 (eGFR problem and sodium/salt problem). The lady that lives next door to us, is pretty close to our age and we don't hear anything from her. She is extremely quiet.
 
Cody Fousnough said:
What we are saying is: Years ago, apartment complexes would have certain buildings for families only and other buildings for non-family as-in single person or a couple, but without children. That no longer happens. In fact, the house we were buying in Parker, Colorado, some of the people living in the Development were very curious why the house was sold to a couple with no kids (us).

I've read that there are those that are against 55+ communities, stating they are discriminating against younger age groups.
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Very true Cody. The question that was legally proposed was, "what about grandkids visiting?" Does the homeowners association or landlords have the right to impose rules? How long can grandkids stay, will they have visiting hours, will there be a curfew? How many family members can come for Thanksgiving, Christmas, or the Jewish holidays? Also, the question of kids inheriting the house if owned, raises a question. Add to that, at what age do we consider one a senior?

One developer was planning a senior neighborhood with small affordable housing for seniors. Perfect for me, but for those with grandkids and large families, that wouldn't work. There were those that voiced opposition to allowing pets. Barking dogs and dogs pooping on others lawns and the old owner unable to bend and pick it up, became a real issue. Would cats be allowed to roam free? Also those snow birds with RVs would have to park the RV elsewhere, requiring an additional expense. Also, subletting was a no no.

The entire thing got so complicated and controversial, that the developer, gave up. We had a nice apartment complex build for seniors only, but it was changed after lawsuits were filed. One old couple suing another for allowing their druggie son, 48, to stay. Then the suits came over just about everything. One old lesbian couple suing because of complaints against there rainbow flag. One old cowboy asked to leave because he wouldn't wash his horse trailer every time after use. Some claimed it smelled, others said that it drew flies.

So, they changed it from senior only to a low income apartment complex, and it has become a run down eye sore.

We have one neighborhood that is mostly seniors, but houses and lots are huge and prices start at 750,000 plus all the expense of housekeepers and lawn care. Way out of my budget and I want to downsize and go small, maybe even a tiny house.

I do feel bad for all kids that have to grow up in apartment complexes. Of course, give them the latest cell phone and they are as entertained as the wealthy kids. Maybe buy the little girl a cell phone for Christmas, that will solve your problem.
 
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Cody Fousnough said:
Basically, to end this, none of you live in the same situation we do. IOW, you don't live under a small child running, jumping across your ceiling and it's pretty loud. I recorded the running/jumping on my iPhone and the sound was pretty loud. So, if you don't live under this circumstance, it's pretty hard to understand. Also, the mother doesn't care at all who lives below her and lets her daughter run and jump as much as she wants to. The good thing is, the noise has quieted down quite a bit since the first week we lived here. It's much more tolerable now, but the little girl can still get a little rowdy above us and the mother doesn't care.

Now that the noise is less, it's more comfortable for us to live under. We are continuing to make our apartment into a rodeo, tv westerns, Indian/native american and old west museum of pictures on our walls.
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What do you really know about the folks living above you? Not much?
 
Faye Fox said:
Very true Cody. The question that was legally proposed was, "what about grandkids visiting?" Does the homeowners association or landlords have the right to impose rules? How long can grandkids stay, will they have visiting hours, will there be a curfew? How many family members can come for Thanksgiving, Christmas, or the Jewish holidays? Also, the question of kids inheriting the house if owned, raises a question. Add to that, at what age do we consider one a senior?

One developer was planning a senior neighborhood with small affordable housing for seniors. Perfect for me, but for those with grandkids and large families, that wouldn't work. There were those that voiced opposition to allowing pets. Barking dogs and dogs pooping on others lawns and the old owner unable to bend and pick it up, became a real issue. Would cats be allowed to roam free? Also those snow birds with RVs would have to park the RV elsewhere, requiring an additional expense. Also, subletting was a no no.

The entire thing got so complicated and controversial, that the developer, gave up. We had a nice apartment complex build for seniors only, but it was changed after lawsuits were filed. One old couple suing another for allowing their druggie son, 48, to stay. Then the suits came over just about everything. One old lesbian couple suing because of complaints against there rainbow flag. One old cowboy asked to leave because he wouldn't wash his horse trailer every time after use. Some claimed it smelled, others said that it drew flies.

So, they changed it from senior only to a low income apartment complex, and it has become a run down eye sore.

We have one neighborhood that is mostly seniors, but houses and lots are huge and prices start at 750,000 plus all the expense of housekeepers and lawn care. Way out of my budget and I want to downsize and go small, maybe even a tiny house.

I do feel bad for all kids that have to grow up in apartment complexes. Of course, give them the latest cell phone and they are as entertained as the wealthy kids. Maybe buy the little girl a cell phone for Christmas, that will solve your problem.
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You do not know much about children growing up nowadays?
 
Well, things have REALLY improved concerning our neighbors that live above us. Seriously! We are much, much more tolerant of the little girl running around now, because it isn't nearly as much as it was when we first moved in. Last week, I seen the mother, and her daughter, leaving at 11:30AM and I talked to her. Come to find out, she is some kind of Medical Tech at our local big hospital (Medical Center of the Rockies). She works four 12 hour days in a row and has Friday/Saturday/Sunday off. Starts about noon and gets home about midnight. "That's the hours that most hospital staff work" she told me. Her little girl, Delilla, just under two years old, sure is a cutie! She looked at me, smiled and waved her little hand at me, as they walked to the car. The mother has a babysitter, until her boyfriend (husband?) gets off of work at 4PM. He picks her up, but doesn't really allow her to run around the apartment, like her mother does.

So, at least for now, everything is just fine with the neighbor above us.............THANK GOD!!
 
Ken Anderson said:
Everyone has varying tolerances and intolerances, but someone in an apartment building doesn't generally have a lot of power when it comes to enforcing their intolerances. This occurs with people in houses, as well, particularly in suburban environments, although not as often, given distance and fences. We had a neighbor, adjacent to us to the north, who decided to run a literal kennel from his side yard, the side facing our property, raising dogs for sale who barked more often than they slept. It was annoying, but just like the railroad when it still ran to the Great Northern, barking dogs soon became mere background noise. Another neighbor, across the street, was infuriated and made several complaints to the town and the police department, and the guy got rid of the dogs and soon moved. Similarly, the noise of children doesn't usually bother me. At times, they can be annoying, but just as often, the sounds of children playing are pleasant. I don't expect everyone to be as tolerant of such things as I am, but that is a tough balance to achieve in a city apartment building with a wide variety of tenants.

I was a single parent in California when they did away with 55+ apartment buildings, although I think they left some exceptions. Before that, it was tough for a single parent, in particular, to find a decent place to live, perhaps because the assumption was that the child was going to run wild while the parent was at work. So, I was happy when they did away with that and moved into a nice, formerly 55+ apartment building near Angel Stadium and my workplace in Anaheim. At that time, the Anaheim schools were much better than the Long Beach schools, and the apartment was actually a townhouse, where we didn't have anyone above or below us, and the walls seemed to be well-designed because I never heard anything from the neighbors on either side of me, nor were they complaining about my son's stereo, although I did emphasize sound levels.

Had I been a senior citizen who had moved there specifically because it was a 55+ environment, I probably wouldn't have been as pleased to have a single man move in with a son, although the layout, being townhouses rather than apartments on top of one another, probably helped.
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You are definitely more tolerant than some. You put up with US right?
 
Cody Fousnough said:
Well, things have REALLY improved concerning our neighbors that live above us. Seriously! We are much, much more tolerant of the little girl running around now, because it isn't nearly as much as it was when we first moved in. Last week, I seen the mother, and her daughter, leaving at 11:30AM and I talked to her. Come to find out, she is some kind of Medical Tech at our local big hospital (Medical Center of the Rockies). She works four 12 hour days in a row and has Friday/Saturday/Sunday off. Starts about noon and gets home about midnight. "That's the hours that most hospital staff work" she told me. Her little girl, Delilla, just under two years old, sure is a cutie! She looked at me, smiled and waved her little hand at me, as they walked to the car. The mother has a babysitter, until her boyfriend (husband?) gets off of work at 4PM. He picks her up, but doesn't really allow her to run around the apartment, like her mother does.

So, at least for now, everything is just fine with the neighbor above us.............THANK GOD!!
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Becoming friends instead of foes. You are now catching on to the "ranch way" of living, Cody.
 
Good morning to all-
We have lived in apartments just enough for me to know that particular way of living is not the right place for me. Now, I am not overly sensitive to noise and the occasional thump and bump, but when we lived in Phoenix for a year- in 2020- loud cars, people screaming from walkways and nearby apartments was a bit too much. I came to dislike very much city apartment living.

To be honest, the farther away from people and the farther out in the wilds is the best setting for me. And living in a place with a HOA is my notion of hell. No one is going to tell me what I can or cannot do on my property.

It does help when we can meet and talk with neighbors- whether they are right next door or five miles down the dirt road. Mostly we find that we have more in common than we have differences.

but not always...

you all be safe and keep well- Ed
 
Ed Delabama said:
Good morning to all-
We have lived in apartments just enough for me to know that particular way of living is not the right place for me. Now, I am not overly sensitive to noise and the occasional thump and bump, but when we lived in Phoenix for a year- in 2020- loud cars, people screaming from walkways and nearby apartments was a bit too much. I came to dislike very much city apartment living.

To be honest, the farther away from people and the farther out in the wilds is the best setting for me. And living in a place with a HOA is my notion of hell. No one is going to tell me what I can or cannot do on my property.

It does help when we can meet and talk with neighbors- whether they are right next door or five miles down the dirt road. Mostly we find that we have more in common than we have differences.

but not always...

you all be safe and keep well- Ed
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For us, we need/want to live close to restaurants, major sporting goods stores (Bass Pro/Scheels/Sportsman's Warehouse), Wal Mart and a grocery store.

We had a 2-story house for a few years, but never used two bedrooms, the den by the master bedroom and a rather large dining room. It was on a 1/4 acre lot in a Development. Our neighbors were very close. We were also under an HOA, and that didn't bother us at all. The HOA kept the Development nice and clean. We've seen some House Developments, that didn't have an HOA, and the driveways looked like a Pick-A-Part junk yard and lots of grease. We got a notice to repaint our 2-car garage and did it fine. Was reimbursed for the paint, rollers and brushes. Had enough paint left over to repaint our front porch. We encountered noise from two Woods Owls at 2AM, but I took care of that with our boat flood light. Unfortunately, the house was just too big for us, so we moved back into apartment living. Any repairs or replacements were free. At our old house, we had to remove the snow from our driveway. At apartment complex, snow was all removed for us.

IOW, for us, apartment living is much cheaper and love having repairs/replacement of things for free. Heck, as for HOA's, I was told what to do all the time in the Navy (LOL).
 
Ed Delabama said:
Good morning to all-
We have lived in apartments just enough for me to know that particular way of living is not the right place for me. Now, I am not overly sensitive to noise and the occasional thump and bump, but when we lived in Phoenix for a year- in 2020- loud cars, people screaming from walkways and nearby apartments was a bit too much. I came to dislike very much city apartment living.

To be honest, the farther away from people and the farther out in the wilds is the best setting for me. And living in a place with a HOA is my notion of hell. No one is going to tell me what I can or cannot do on my property.

It does help when we can meet and talk with neighbors- whether they are right next door or five miles down the dirt road. Mostly we find that we have more in common than we have differences.

but not always...

you all be safe and keep well- Ed
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Ditto that!
 
Cody Fousnough said:
For us, we need/want to live close to restaurants, major sporting goods stores (Bass Pro/Scheels/Sportsman's Warehouse), Wal Mart and a grocery store.

We had a 2-story house for a few years, but never used two bedrooms, the den by the master bedroom and a rather large dining room. It was on a 1/4 acre lot in a Development. Our neighbors were very close. We were also under an HOA, and that didn't bother us at all. The HOA kept the Development nice and clean. We've seen some House Developments, that didn't have an HOA, and the driveways looked like a Pick-A-Part junk yard and lots of grease. We got a notice to repaint our 2-car garage and did it fine. Was reimbursed for the paint, rollers and brushes. Had enough paint left over to repaint our front porch. We encountered noise from two Woods Owls at 2AM, but I took care of that with our boat flood light. Unfortunately, the house was just too big for us, so we moved back into apartment living. Any repairs or replacements were free. At our old house, we had to remove the snow from our driveway. At apartment complex, snow was all removed for us.

IOW, for us, apartment living is much cheaper and love having repairs/replacement of things for free. Heck, as for HOA's, I was told what to do all the time in the Navy (LOL).
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I love our owls. I have a problem with the neighbor's nesting hawks though.
 
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