Maduro has been apprehended and taken out of Venezuela
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Axel Slingerland
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I guess it depends on your perspective. In my opinion, it shows me how much our military has improved in spite of Trump and specially Hegseth.
Don Alaska
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You are simply wrong. It is not a matter of perspective. Obama simply blew people up. Biden's military was so demoralized that he couldn't have even attempted such an arrest.
Marie Mallory
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Here is some interesting history of Venezuela, gives some of idea of what has been and is going on,
Bobby Cole
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Uh-huh..right.
How bout those Biden administration soldiers that joined just to get their genitalia removed free of charge?
Oh and lest we forget, that fantastic Biden leadership that got 13 Marines killed and the billions of dollars worth of equipment left during the sudden withdrawal from Afghanistan?
And ya know, I just can’t figure out why Hegseth would demand that our present day physical standards (APFD) to be equal to or better than the standards set some 60+ years ago. I mean, gosh, a soldier shouldn’t have to be able to do over 20 push ups or run a mile in less than a half hour.
In “spite” of? If one were to speak to a few combat ready soldiers and maybe even a few combat vets about that “in spite of”, me thinks you’d find that today’s soldiers are happier to have someone in the lead who is more concerned with their backs than how many DEI hires the past administration tried to force down the throats of those who have taken their oath seriously.
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Patsy Faye
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I think it was the right decision, having watched so much information on it today.
Don Alaska
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Many of the career folks handed in their resignations and rescinded them when Trump was elected. Enlistments have been exceeded since 2024 and retention is up as well. Standards are higher and everyone of any use seems to be happier to have a CIC who cares about them and a Secretary who expects high standards. There was consideration of reinstating the draft near the end of Biden's time as the forces were dwindling so rapidly. That all seems to have turned around.
Axel Slingerland
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I counter your "Uh-huh..right." with "Okay, whatever."
It's just my opinion. Republicans love Trump and everything he does, regardless of how much or what ever it costs them. But that's fine, they can believe anything you want to. It doesn't have to make any sense to me or anyone else. Pretty much the same things can be said for any political party, and specially since if they are one of only two major political parties. A very noticeable key difference between the two big kids on the block is that there has never been a Democratic President who was Impeached twice, a convicted Rapist, or convicted of 34 Felonies. But hey... Give them time. Trump has proven that the Rule of Law means nothing. Democrats can do what he does when it's their turn.
It actually makes me think of those popular bank robbers like Bonnie and Clyde back during the Great Depression that were very popular for the wrong reasons. But again, that's just my opinion too. And no matter what happens, opinions don't mean very much. As I have always said, if you find anything that anyone says to be offensive, think about what you say. Is what you say offensive? It's a two way street. Ask anyone that knows me here, I have repeatedly said that I don't trust Politicians or Political Parties. I didn't trust Trump when he was a member of the Independence Party, or the Reform Party, or the Democratic Party and certainly not the Republican Party. I didn't trust him when he started all those multi-million dollar businesses that mysteriously went bankrupt, and I don't want America to be his 7th bankruptcy.
Axel Slingerland
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Are you talking about that guy that said on national television "I don't care about you, I just want your vote"? Why do some people only respond to half of that statement?
Don Alaska
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Oh really. No Democrat has been impeached twice (they even tried to impeach him AFTER he was no longer in office which some then interpreted to mean they actually were admitting that he DID win the 2020 election) because the Dems are less ethical than the Republicans. It has been said for years that the if the Republicans acted like the Democrats, the Republic would fall. Well, that is now happening, and the Democrats don't like being treated like they treat others, so the nation will probably fall. It certainly appears that the Democrat leadership would sacrifice the country if they could take down Trump, although not all Democrat voters are willing to do so. That is why he is now President.
I am not really Republican, and I don't like everything Trump does. I do think he is better than either Obama or Biden by a large measure, who were excused by Democrats just as the Democrats are accusing Republicans of doing with Trump. I do generally favor more Conservative politics, but Trump is not Conservative. Rush Limbaugh muddied the conservative vs. liberal waters, and many don't know the difference any more.
Don Alaska
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Whatever. If he were actually convicted of rape, I doubt anyone would support him. There was one case--I don't recall the name--for which he was accused, but it was thrown out of court in California twice (that great Trump stronghold) and again in New York (another Trump stronghold). It was a girl who targeted him hoping to get money. Trump has been accused of so many fake crimes that it is difficult to determine what is real and what is fake. The crap in Georgia wasn't real and during the trial in New York, the people who were supposedly defrauded actually testified in his defense. That doesn't happen often (ever) in REAL fraud cases.
Axel Slingerland
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That's right, Don. No other American President has been impeached twice, and that includes Democrats. Only Trump. Really.
Mitch McConnell refused to hold a trial in the Senate either time, so he was not Convicted. But he was Impeached Twice.
Do you really think a president can commit impeachable crimes and not be held accountable? Sorry to disappoint you but that is not the case. They can still be impeached even if they leave office. Leaving office does not excuse any crimes committed.
Trump's 2nd Impeachment process began January 13th, 2021 and it concluded on February 13th, 2021. Spin it any way you like, it was official.
Don Alaska
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All that nonsense is why many have trouble believing any of it. Andrew Johnson was impeached because he favored the South after the Civil War. Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury. Trump was impeached because Democrats either just hated him or were afraid of him. Probably both. In almost every case that has been brought against him, the crime alleged was not clearly defined or was simply politically motivated persecution. No impeached President has ever been convicted, even when the crime was clear, such as what Clinton did. He was not brought to trial either, not because the crime was not committed, but because the thing that he lied about was something a lot of those politicians had also done and would probably lie about themselves. Nixon probably would have been convicted, but what he did paled compared to what Obama and Biden did.
We can argue about this all year and we will not agree. It is just cluttering up the thread.
Beth Gallagher
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Oh look. Using that bastion of integrity CBS news reporting about January 6 ... again. I believe most of the "insurrection" bullshit has been disproven but liberals don't care to hear or believe the facts. They use their time-honored tricks of edited videos and lies to fit their narrative. It is no secret that the democrats are so desperate to bring Trump down that they will stop at nothing. TDS is real.
I am not MAGA (though I fully support making America great), nor a Republican, but I do support most of what Trump does and I fully believe he has the best interests of the country at heart. I don't think renaming the Kennedy Center was necessary (kind of tasteless, really), but for the most part I can say "That's what I voted for," and mean it.
The Biden years were total destruction to my country and an affront to my beliefs and my morals. The clown show of his administration made a joke of this country on the world stage. I will never use any idiot's "pronouns" and am happy to still have free speech though they were working diligently on taking that from me. The border is CLOSED, thank God. Fraud and wasteful spending are being exposed and dealt with, but the "Orange Man Bad" crowd just can't give credit where it's due.
Democrat talking points are disgusting. They are scrambling to turn the Maduro story into an anti-Trump event though most of the world is celebrating, including the Venezuelan people.
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Axel Slingerland
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Impeached in the House for violating the Tenure of Office Act, and found Not Guilty in the Senate.
Impeached in the House for perjury and obstruction of justice, also found Not Guilty in the Senate.
Impeached in the House for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress (2019) and for incitement of insurrection (2021). There were no trials in the Senate.
I would have to agree with that. What I can not agree with is your misinterpretation of recorded history. But as I said before, you can believe whatever you like. I don't agree with a lot of what the government does. But just because disagree doesn't change anything.
Beth Gallagher
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Getting back to the actual thread topic...
I'm curious about the sitting VP. Since she is part of the Maduro administration (or whatever they call it), wouldn't she be more of the same? And what about the woman who purportedly won the last election? Can she just return to Venezuela and be sworn in?
I have so many questions, but watching videos of the Venezuelan people celebrating all over the world lifts my heart up and I'm hopeful things will go well for them.
Don Alaska
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@Beth Gallagher the report I got was that the winner of the last election said to put the VP in place, as that is what is dictated by the Venezuelan Constitution for "unplanned political change" or something like that. She said she was not yet able to assume office as most of her supporters have either been killed by Maduro or have fled the country and are not yet back home. I think the VP will be a puppet until the elected President returns to Venezuela and organizes her cabinet. That is what Trump meant when he said we would run the country for a while. The U.S. will keep the VP and her staff under control until things get organized or new elections are held.
Bobby Cole
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Thank you and Don for bringing the thread back on topic.
Regarding the celebrations, for whatever reasons they may have, Chinese and Iranian citizens took to the streets celebrating Maduro’s fall.
In Iran, where it takes very little to garner the death penalty, Iranian citizens took down the National Flags at their capital.
Also, isn’t it strange that even though Russia and China had defense missile emplacements to defend Venezuela’s capital and communication towers, not one missile was used during the onslaught.
And, what’s also strange is that a Chinese envoy left Caracas a couple of hours before the American strike began.
Don Alaska
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An analyst I listened to has stated that Trump appears to be taking the hard road in all of this. He snatched Maduro for trial (and the judge in the case is actually an anti-Trump guy), and he elected NOT to change the regime and is trying to work within the Venezuelan constitution. Trump is following the law of the country affected and not taking the easy way out. We'll see how that all works out.
Since @Bobby Cole mentioned Iran, I have seen writings that indicate the Iranian officials are perhaps preparing to take the same road that was taken by Assad in Syria and run to Moscow. Iran's economy has collapsed, and the national capital may have to be partially evacuated due to lack of water and infrastructure collapse. Iranian officials reportedly used so much of the economic resources of the country to foment revolutions in other places that their own nation is near collapse.
I also saw one comment that the Board of Governors of PBS has voted to disband, but I don't know if that is true. Tim Walz has removed himself from the governor's race in Minnesota due to ever-growing corruption. Virtually everything that the Left has said about Trump has shown to be false and untrue. just as @Beth Gallagher commented above. The man is not perfect by any means, but no one in our history has had more lies spread about him.
Oh yes, and an investigation has reportedly been launched into Nancy Pelosi's insider trading.
Sorry for leading the thread astray again.
Since @Bobby Cole mentioned Iran, I have seen writings that indicate the Iranian officials are perhaps preparing to take the same road that was taken by Assad in Syria and run to Moscow. Iran's economy has collapsed, and the national capital may have to be partially evacuated due to lack of water and infrastructure collapse. Iranian officials reportedly used so much of the economic resources of the country to foment revolutions in other places that their own nation is near collapse.
I also saw one comment that the Board of Governors of PBS has voted to disband, but I don't know if that is true. Tim Walz has removed himself from the governor's race in Minnesota due to ever-growing corruption. Virtually everything that the Left has said about Trump has shown to be false and untrue. just as @Beth Gallagher commented above. The man is not perfect by any means, but no one in our history has had more lies spread about him.
Oh yes, and an investigation has reportedly been launched into Nancy Pelosi's insider trading.
Sorry for leading the thread astray again.