Kristi Noem is Out

Buck said:
Indeed .... I liked her up until I read about her shooting her dog. Afterwards I decided I didn't want anyone with that kind of mind ......... in-charge of anything.
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Do you know why she shot her dog?

If you do and still judge her for killing her dog that was turning into a dangerous dog, then you will be on my fighting side. Choosing the safety of her children over keeping a dog that was proving to be a killer, makes her a first rate mother and rancher in my book. Here is her official statement from a couple of years ago. This is another case of the libs turning something into something it wasn't.

Kristi Noem is doubling down on her decision to shoot and kill her 14-month-old dog, Cricket, 20 years ago, saying that she shot the “dangerous” dog in order to protect her children.

“We were her second chance,” Noem said Wednesday evening on Fox News’ “Hannity.” “The day she was put down was a day that she massacred livestock that were part of our neighbors. She attacked me. And it was a hard decision.”

Noem said she had to choose between “keeping my small children and other people safe, or a dangerous animal, and I chose the safety of my children.”
 
Faye Fox said:
Do you know why she shot her dog?

If you do and still judge her for killing her dog that was turning into a dangerous dog, then you will be on my fighting side. Choosing the safety of her children over keeping a dog that was proving to be a killer, makes her a first rate mother and rancher in my book. Here is her official statement from a couple of years ago. This is another case of the libs turning something into something it wasn't.

Kristi Noem is doubling down on her decision to shoot and kill her 14-month-old dog, Cricket, 20 years ago, saying that she shot the “dangerous” dog in order to protect her children.

“We were her second chance,” Noem said Wednesday evening on Fox News’ “Hannity.” “The day she was put down was a day that she massacred livestock that were part of our neighbors. She attacked me. And it was a hard decision.”

Noem said she had to choose between “keeping my small children and other people safe, or a dangerous animal, and I chose the safety of my children.”
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Below is he only reason I read, @ the time, and there is no mention of the dog injuring any child/children.

https://www.humaneworld.org/en/blog/kristi-noem-puppy-killing-scandal

And , as I stated ........ anyone who's mind works in that way, should IMO never be in charge of anything .
 
Buck said:
Below is he only reason I read, @ the time, and there is no mention of the dog injuring any child/children.

https://www.humaneworld.org/en/blog/kristi-noem-puppy-killing-scandal

And , as I stated ........ anyone who's mind works in that way, should IMO never be in charge of anything .
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She never said the dog injured a child, she said she feared it would from its behavior killing small livestock and then biting her when she tried to control it. She was a rancher and most ranchers don't believe in passing on a problem dog to someone else. Once a dog has started killing, it will continue. If someone was to adopt it, it would have to be caged like a wild animal. She chose to do what ranchers do and that is take care of the problem in a humane way. A bullet to the back of the head, kills faster than taking to the vet for euthanizing. She did the right thing. Her only mistake was ever writing about it, since not all readers would understand.
 
Faye Fox said:
She never said the dog injured a child, she said she feared it would from its behavior killing small livestock and then biting her when she tried to control it. She was a rancher and most ranchers don't believe in passing on a problem dog to someone else. Once a dog has started killing, it will continue. If someone was to adopt it, it would have to be caged like a wild animal. She chose to do what ranchers do and that is take care of the problem in a humane way. A bullet to the back of the head, kills faster than taking to the vet for euthanizing. She did the right thing. Her only mistake was ever writing about it, since not all readers would understand.
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  • The Dog (Cricket): Noem described Cricket as "untrainable," "dangerous," and "less than worthless" as a hunting dog. She wrote that Cricket ruined a pheasant hunting trip, killed a neighbor's chickens, and tried to bite her. Following these events, Noem took the dog to a gravel pit and shot it."
So in actuality the dog [a puppy] ruined a hunting trip [an intended good time for her {Noem} and wouldn't hunt .... It is not unusual for a puppy to "nip" @ anyone, ya don't shoot them, you teach them.​
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Sorry, it was IMO a despicable act, that shows her true colors.​
 
Buck said:
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  • The Dog (Cricket): Noem described Cricket as "untrainable," "dangerous," and "less than worthless" as a hunting dog. She wrote that Cricket ruined a pheasant hunting trip, killed a neighbor's chickens, and tried to bite her. Following these events, Noem took the dog to a gravel pit and shot it."
So in actuality the dog [a puppy] ruined a hunting trip [an intended good time for her {Noem} and wouldn't hunt .... It is not unusual for a puppy to "nip" @ anyone, ya don't shoot them, you teach them.​
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Sorry, it was IMO a despicable act, that shows her true colors.​
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What's stupid about the whole thing is that Noem included that story in her book (which I have not read). If she had left it out, no one would be the wiser.

I am a person who has a real soft spot for animals, so this story makes me feel kind of sick. I have owned one dog that was aggressive; he bit me once and I gave him away. I didn't shoot him but I no longer wanted to deal with him.
 
Buck said:
Sorry, it was IMO a despicable act, that shows her true colors.
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That's certainly not something I would do, and I also find it cringeworthy. At the same time, I have learned to appreciate that not everyone has the same experience or or relationship with animals that I do, and that this doesn't necessarily makes them evil.

I don't hunt. Although I have always believed that I could kill an animal if I had to do so in order to survive, as I do eat meat, at the same time, I am grateful that I have never been put in that position. It would also be hypocritical of me, as a carnivore, to consider hunting to be evil, although I suppose an argument could be made for the enjoyment of killing an animal.

Vegetarians or vegans might consider me to be evil for eating meat, while there are others who consider swatting a fly or stepping on a bug to be evil. At what point does someone become evil?

With this in mind, I think we should acknowledge that generations of people have grown up with an entirely different view of animals as being pretty much disposable. In rural areas not so long ago, and perhaps even today, it was considered responsible to place an unwanted litter of puppies into a canvas bag and drown them. I would consider that to be horrible, but a lot of good people felt that it was the responsible thing to do.

Such questions of morality are further compounded by the fact that many of those who would think it was unforgiveably cruel to drown a litter of puppies are in favor of aborting human babies if they are unwanted. I'm not making an argument for or against abortion here, but I think that we can all concede that there are people who would consider aborting a baby to be murder. Whether you agree with that or not is a matter of perspective. One person might not attribute any moral implications to killing a dog, while others don't attribute moral guilt to killing an unborn baby. Again, I am not making the argument for or against abortion here, and will delete any posts that try to turn this into an abortion argument. My only point in bringing it up is to illustrate that the questions are not so clear.

A lot of people have raised dogs as work animals, not companion animals, and see nothing wrong with shooting a dog that becomes more of a problem than a value. This view was far more common in the not-so-distant past as now, but, particularly in rural areas, there are people who still feel that way, and the question is far more complicated than simply labeling the act of shooting dog as being evil.

Over the generations, we have redrawn the lines of what is or is not acceptable, and I think it's reasonable to suggest that there has never been full agreement. You might draw the line in one place, while I might draw it in another, and so on.

Further complicating the question is that there are some people who believe that it's okay to kill people who don't look like them.

That said, it was incredibly stupid of Kristi Noem to have included that in her book.
 
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I guess the difference is being raised and spending my entire life in ranch country. For those that don't have ranch experience and living with livestock and dogs trained to work livestock, you can't understand. I get that and also have a soft spot for animals, especially ones that dogs can tear to pieces and kill.

Unless you have seen a dog attack a chicken, lamb or a calf and tear it up to where it has to be killed, then you can't understand Kristi's frame of mind. Unless you have been attacked by a dog, you can't understand.

I have been attacked twice and could have lost my life except the first time as a child, my dad shot the dog that was leaping at me as I climbed a tree and hung on for dear life. My arms were about to give out as I screamed for my life. I was four and the memory is still clear as looking at a photo.

The second time was a known mean dog that was kept by a lady that was trying to reform it. It was an Airedale (Terrier) and rushed me and I was lucky to be wearing a heavy coat and put my left arm up to protect my throat. It latched on my arm and as I was in pain, I beat the dog with my right fist around the nose and it dropped down and I backed up, but before I could back up into my pickup, it rushed me and grabbed my thigh and torn large gashes in it. I was petrified! I wish I had a knife handy. I would have cut his throat. Then the owner came out and yelled and the dog turned and ran. I had to have several stiches and still have scars from that assault. The dog wasn't put down, but it should have been. That lady just put it in a cage made from heavy steel and she was fined although since the dog broke a heavy chain it was on, she couldn't be charged with failure to control a dangerous animal.

Some ranches have herd dogs that will nip at strangers heels, but they don't bite or kill. Not even chickens or cats. Any dog that attacks, bites, and draws blood, is untrainable and not to be trusted around small children.

A few years ago here, an old woman that walked her aggressive dog daily and was able to restraint it using a leash, would tell you it would not bite anyone, it was just protective of her. One morning it broke off the lease and ran across the street and attack a child in a stroller. It had grabbed and dragged the child out, ripped into it, then the mother tried to fight it off and got bit. Luckily an old man was close and ran out and stabbed the dog with his pocket knife. That child will live with scars for life as I have from being attacked as a child. The old lady maintained that the old man had no right to kill her dog. The police didn't agree and she lost her civil suit against the old man. The police didn't give her a ticket, but they should have. No one has the right to walk an aggressive dog in public.

Now, did Kristi need to kill the dog? Most ranchers will tell you yes. That dog would not make a good pet and could never be trusted. Should Kristi have taken the chance that dog might attack her children? I say no, she did what she should have. That dog even at 14 months, had the power to kill a child. It was NOT a puppy! What I would have done different, is never have hunting or bird dogs on a ranch unless they are kept in kennels. You simply cannot let them run loose. The other thing is I would never have a Terrier on a ranch. They are either to be pets or hunting dogs, but never both.

And lastly I agree that she was a fool to write about it. Unless one has been attacked, then they won't understand her frame of mind. I don't expect anyone reading this to understand the terror I felt being attacked by a domestic animal.

I want to add that I have been bitten probably 100 times, so yes I know the difference between being bitten and attacked.
 
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While we might draw our lines in different places, I think we're agreeing, @Faye Fox. It's a matter of perspective, experience, and relationships. Where do we draw the line? Some people think it's okay to kill people who don't look like them, while others believe it's wrong to step on grass. As with other type of legislated morality, the line is generally drawn to accommodate the majority, when we should probably draw the line according to circumstance.
 
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We had a dog that killed 30 of our chickens while we were away form home and my son killed that dog while the rest of the family tried to salvage as much meat as they could, but I was at work. Another dog attacked our 5-year old son. I would have killed him, but wife encouraged me to take him to the pound instead due to the rabies concerns. If I had not been beside him when it happened, I think we would have lost a child to a dog attack. I have no idea what happened to that dog. The ER would have reported the attack and had the dog quarantined anyway.

Some dogs need to stop existing.
 
Don Alaska said:
We had a dog that killed 30 of our chickens while we were away form home and my son killed that dog while the rest of the family tried to salvage as much meat as they could, but I was at work. Another dog attacked our 5-year old son. I would have killed him, but wife encouraged me to take him to the pound instead due to the rabies concerns. If I had not been beside him when it happened, I think we would have lost a child to a dog attack. I have no idea what happened to that dog. The ER would have reported the attack and had the dog quarantined anyway.

Some dogs need to stop existing.
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I think you are right and that dog would have killed your son. I have no doubt that if i hadn't put my arm up to protect my neck, that Airedale would have killed me. Some dog apologist, don't understand the power of a dogs jaws and their nature, not just to bite, but to tear like a wolf does. Even a small dog can kill a child.

With that said I have no problem in believing that Kristi knew more about dogs that those that fault her for not giving the dog away to be someone else's problem. For several thousand dollars, a new owner might have been able to rehab the dog at a specialized canine training center that had a canine psychologist on staff, but again maybe not. Chances are the dog would have been euthanized in the end by a vet. That sounds better to most folks than shooting it.

Now returning to discussing Kristi, I find it sad that folks were glad to see her go, just based on a dog story they couldn't begin to understand. I hated to see her go, but have to agree that it was probably a temporary job just to get the new administration running. She did an exemplary job for her state during Covid, one that if practiced in other states, would have not damaged our country like the control hungry Governors that didn't have the smarts, integrity, or courage to question not only the lack of medical science, but the fascist and undemocratic control of the people, such a martial law entailed.

I hope President Trump found a place to use her where her skills will be of benefit to the nation. Her attitude of "taking the bull by the horns" and not passing her problems on to others, was a great asset getting the removal of criminal illegals out of the USA. I find it sad that instead of appreciating what she did for the security of the nation, some are glad to see her gone, because she had the gall to kill an uncontrollable killer dog 20 years ago. Something about a beautiful conservative woman taking matters in her own hands that doesn't set well with a majority of folks.

I choose Kristi Noem any day anytime over Kacklin Kamala that watched with glee while millions crossed the border, some killers that murdered innocent American women of all races without any remorse. Kamala wouldn't shoot a killer dog, but she would watch while women were raped, tortured, and murdered and children were sold into sex trafficking and torment by illegal border crossers.
 
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@ 14 months, the dog is still a puppy, both physically and emotionally/psychologically. She [Noem] had time and energy to take the puppy to the gravel pit. She could have just as easily taken it to a shelter to perhaps be adopted by a loving family.

In one of her own statements she stated that she hated that dog ! [the goat as well] [Which she also killed] So is that how her mind works , if she hates it she kills it ?

I for one am glad she's out ..... hopefully never to return.
 
When I was about 4 years old, I saw my father shoot a rabid stray dog in the yard of our farmhouse. Several farmers in the area had been tracking the stray, and the carcass was picked up by some county agency due to the rabies. I will never forget seeing that dog when it was hit; that terrible image is burned into my brain.

Noem should have never told that she shot a dog. That was something that did not need to be shared. I'll admit that colored my opinion of her unfavorably.
 
Beth Gallagher said:
When I was about 4 years old, I saw my father shoot a rabid stray dog in the yard of our farmhouse. Several farmers in the area had been tracking the stray, and the carcass was picked up by some county agency due to the rabies. I will never forget seeing that dog when it was hit; that terrible image is burned into my brain.

Noem should have never told that she shot a dog. That was something that did not need to be shared. I'll admit that colored my opinion of her unfavorably.
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Yeah, that is hard to see as a kid and can never be unseen. Shooting a dog or other animal at a distance is a lot uglier than close up in the head, where the animal goes down immediately with no suffering.

My main objection to hunting is poor shots and hunters not using all the animal. I liked the way big sheep ranchers protect their sheep from dogs and coyotes. They use dogs that are raised with the sheep and know their job is to protect the sheep. Should another dog decide they want to even chase the sheep, chances are the guard dogs will kill them. That certainly takes the burden of killing the offending dog off the rancher.

Anyone thinking they can stop a dog, without killing it, while it is killing another animal or a human, you best think again. Kristi was lucky she only got bit after she stopped the dog from killing. I don't understand taking the dog to the gravel pit, other than she didn't want her kids to see.

I certainly hope whoever replaces her has the same frame of mind about not passing their problems and responsibilities on to someone else.
 
I was just thinking that dog killing aside, I never cared much for Ms. Noem so I don't care one way or another that she was fired. Spending that much unapproved money on TV ads featuring herself was enough to know all I need to know about her.
 
Buck said:
@ 14 months, the dog is still a puppy, both physically and emotionally/psychologically. She [Noem] had time and energy to take the puppy to the gravel pit. She could have just as easily taken it to a shelter to perhaps be adopted by a loving family.

In one of her own statements she stated that she hated that dog ! [the goat as well] [Which she also killed] So is that how her mind works , if she hates it she kills it ?

I for one am glad she's out ..... hopefully never to return.
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No shelter wants to take on a dog that kills, whether chickens, cats, rabbits, or hamsters. If the shelter is aware of their behavior, then they must inform anyone wanting to adopt it. No loving family is going to take on a problem dog. Any shelter would have made her pay for them to take it which would include the cost of killing the dog with lethal injection if they couldn't find anyone to take it. Mean dogs are usually adopted by drug dealers, not loving families.
 
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