Faye Fox
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I have to agree on that one. That was not in the best interest of the American people.
Kristi Noem is Out
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Buck Bailey
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I disagree, dogs [animals] can take varied time frames to come to adult status. And can be considered a puppy for that time frame, what ever that may be.
There are people who consider 27-year-old humans to be children, in need of care from their parents, too.
Don Alaska
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I thought she did a good job keeping S. Dakota open during Covid, and of course she is a little attractive. She very much parallels Sarah Palin, but Palin was a terrible governor. One of the only good things John McCain did was to rescue Alaska from Palin's governorship. Reportedly, Noem was on thin ice with Trump for her handling of ICE, and the obvious political maneuvering in the TV ads was the straw that broke the back.
Buck Bailey
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indeed ......... that is truly sad.
And I know a family that was the reverse , the G/Parents constantly tried to keep the G/Kids under their rein , and the kids kept trying to escape. To the point of asking me, to talk to the G/Parents.
Faye Fox
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FACT One: Kristi Noem's dog was a Wired Hair Terrier 14 months old
I had a long visit with a good friend, a veterinarian that specializes in canine care. She confirmed some of what I knew about Wire Haired Terriers and corrected my misunderstanding. I had two neighbors with wire haired terriers, one moved away thank the Lord, and the other is moving soon. The first one to move had a dangerous WHT that would rush my fence when I was working near it. One time when I was working on a flower bed, kneeling down, along the fence, the dog came out snaring and barking and slamming the fence.
I had grown tired of this "lonely" needy animal being aggressive toward me because its owners couldn't give it constant attention. WHT are smart, very smart and can tell by the tone of your voice if you are not happy with them. I told it to, "Go eat some cat
and die." It backed up barking and ferociously slammed the fence, breaking a board that slammed my forehead, knocking me to the ground. It would have come thru the fence but its shoulders were too wide. It would have probably killed me, since no one was around. No one heard me yelling. I was lucky to get up and back in my house and call the police. Rule one is always face the dog and back away.
The owners were warned, but the police said fixing the fence was a civil matter. The owners never would answer the door and talk to me. One of my good neighbors, a very large Marine vet, confronted the young man getting out of his pickup and told him if his dog was ever aggressive and broke thru another fence, he was going to kill it and what remained wasn't going to be pretty. He said the young man looked frightened. "Weak men keep mean dogs." original by Faye.
Fact Two: WHT dogs need CONSTANT attention. The dog in my story above was left alone outside all day, usually 10 hours. Sometimes at night they put it out and it barked constantly. It would never pay any attention to me if they were outside with it. The dog was lonely and in my book, MISTREATED knowing this breed required constant attention and the owners turning a blind eye to the dogs misery.
Fact Three: WHT dogs are considered emotionally adult 9-12 months old, however they may still grow physically up to 18 months.
Now, I wonder why Kristi ever got this breed of dog other than they are cute as puppies and generally playful and fun for children, but here again if the dog isn't around its owners 24/7, then that pup will grow into a mean dog and killing is in its nature. They can become a dangerous untrainable dog by the time they reach one year of age. Being a very smart breed, these dogs are not trainable and no rehab is successful once they have become aggressive. They can be controlled by a knowledgeable owner in some circumstances, but never retrained to be a dog that can be trusted, around other animals or humans, especially small children.
What we don't know is at what age Kristi got this dog. I will fault Kristi for not learning more about dogs before she took on this breed. WHT dogs are about as far from a useful ranch dog as dogs can get. I won't fault her for killing it, but I will for writing about doing so. Dog lovers don't see a dangerous untrainable dog, they just see a playful misunderstood puppy and an unhinged wild west gunslinger.
Kristi wasn't unhinged, she was just trying to get rid of her bad decisions. Correcting her bad decision to make unauthorized videos offering illegals money to leave and come back later legally and apply for citizenship, was one President Trump had to make for her. These videos went on for some time and I wonder why the hell Trump or someone didn't call her on it before she was investigated?
It is my opinion now, that she was just a poster girl for setting up the removal of criminal illegals from this country. She fulfilled the mission they had her on board for, so then she got to walk the plank.
As a former ranch woman myself, I don't think Kristi is a good representation of strong ranch women. It seems to me she fulfilled a lot of the stereotypes folks have about "cowgirls," riding a horse, form fitting western wear, large belt buckle, heeled slip on boots, and her life more about riding horses and modeling, than working cattle or repairing fences. She mentioned loving rodeo. That alone was enough to turn a lot of folks against her. For many rodeo is animal abuse but having a mean dog, mean from loneliness, that has to be caged, isn't. The biggest animal abuse is pets.
I had rather see an animal euthanized by injection or properly shot, than given to a bad home. I hate animal suffering as is so common with a lot of pets. A good example would be the lonely WHT that attacked me. That dog was in mental pain.
I had a long visit with a good friend, a veterinarian that specializes in canine care. She confirmed some of what I knew about Wire Haired Terriers and corrected my misunderstanding. I had two neighbors with wire haired terriers, one moved away thank the Lord, and the other is moving soon. The first one to move had a dangerous WHT that would rush my fence when I was working near it. One time when I was working on a flower bed, kneeling down, along the fence, the dog came out snaring and barking and slamming the fence.
I had grown tired of this "lonely" needy animal being aggressive toward me because its owners couldn't give it constant attention. WHT are smart, very smart and can tell by the tone of your voice if you are not happy with them. I told it to, "Go eat some cat
and die." It backed up barking and ferociously slammed the fence, breaking a board that slammed my forehead, knocking me to the ground. It would have come thru the fence but its shoulders were too wide. It would have probably killed me, since no one was around. No one heard me yelling. I was lucky to get up and back in my house and call the police. Rule one is always face the dog and back away.The owners were warned, but the police said fixing the fence was a civil matter. The owners never would answer the door and talk to me. One of my good neighbors, a very large Marine vet, confronted the young man getting out of his pickup and told him if his dog was ever aggressive and broke thru another fence, he was going to kill it and what remained wasn't going to be pretty. He said the young man looked frightened. "Weak men keep mean dogs." original by Faye.
Fact Two: WHT dogs need CONSTANT attention. The dog in my story above was left alone outside all day, usually 10 hours. Sometimes at night they put it out and it barked constantly. It would never pay any attention to me if they were outside with it. The dog was lonely and in my book, MISTREATED knowing this breed required constant attention and the owners turning a blind eye to the dogs misery.
Fact Three: WHT dogs are considered emotionally adult 9-12 months old, however they may still grow physically up to 18 months.
Now, I wonder why Kristi ever got this breed of dog other than they are cute as puppies and generally playful and fun for children, but here again if the dog isn't around its owners 24/7, then that pup will grow into a mean dog and killing is in its nature. They can become a dangerous untrainable dog by the time they reach one year of age. Being a very smart breed, these dogs are not trainable and no rehab is successful once they have become aggressive. They can be controlled by a knowledgeable owner in some circumstances, but never retrained to be a dog that can be trusted, around other animals or humans, especially small children.
What we don't know is at what age Kristi got this dog. I will fault Kristi for not learning more about dogs before she took on this breed. WHT dogs are about as far from a useful ranch dog as dogs can get. I won't fault her for killing it, but I will for writing about doing so. Dog lovers don't see a dangerous untrainable dog, they just see a playful misunderstood puppy and an unhinged wild west gunslinger.
Kristi wasn't unhinged, she was just trying to get rid of her bad decisions. Correcting her bad decision to make unauthorized videos offering illegals money to leave and come back later legally and apply for citizenship, was one President Trump had to make for her. These videos went on for some time and I wonder why the hell Trump or someone didn't call her on it before she was investigated?
It is my opinion now, that she was just a poster girl for setting up the removal of criminal illegals from this country. She fulfilled the mission they had her on board for, so then she got to walk the plank.
As a former ranch woman myself, I don't think Kristi is a good representation of strong ranch women. It seems to me she fulfilled a lot of the stereotypes folks have about "cowgirls," riding a horse, form fitting western wear, large belt buckle, heeled slip on boots, and her life more about riding horses and modeling, than working cattle or repairing fences. She mentioned loving rodeo. That alone was enough to turn a lot of folks against her. For many rodeo is animal abuse but having a mean dog, mean from loneliness, that has to be caged, isn't. The biggest animal abuse is pets.
I had rather see an animal euthanized by injection or properly shot, than given to a bad home. I hate animal suffering as is so common with a lot of pets. A good example would be the lonely WHT that attacked me. That dog was in mental pain.
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I get the feeling that Kristi Noem may not have been as hands-on as a rancher as she'd have us believe. Sometimes, wealthy people buy a farm or a ranch, calling themselves farmers or ranchers, which they are, but not in the context that most of us think of.
As for dogs, we had dogs when I was a kid but I've never had a dog of my own, so I won't pretend to have great knowledge of dogs. However, as is usually the case, I won't allow my ignorance of the subject to keep me from having an opinion. I think that most dogs can be safe under the right conditions or circumstances, but not everyone is able to meet these circumstances.
I'll pivot to cats, since I know cats. As I've mentioned before, particularly in the first rendition of this forum, I took in a feral adult cat, who lived to be at least 24 years old. Over time, she became domesticated to the point where I could pick her up anytime, cuddle with her, and even tease her, usually without triggering any of the feral instincts, but she never fully divested herself of these instincts. There were times when, during play, something would snap within her, which I consider to be a form of feline PTSD, and she'd go wild, claws out and making me bleed. Then, she'd realize what she had done, and, in her way, make up for it. She would only be triggered during play-fighting, but she loved to play-fight, so I took my chances.
A little bit of blood every now and then was acceptable to me, and it was well worth the pleasure she gave me. However, she would not have been a suitable cat for a household with children, who might be expected to play with her in that way. Without fully meaning to, she might have taken one eye out.
Dogs, of course, can kill you faster and more easily than a cat. As is the case with people, I don't doubt that there are some dogs who cannot be rehabilitated or made safe. Most of them probably could be, but someone might have to devote a great deal of time in doing this, or to create the right circumstances and conditions. @Faye Fox has pointed out that Wire Hair Terriers require constant attention, and not everyone is able or willing to give them the attention they need. The same dog she referenced might have been a good dog if it were with someone who gave it the attention it required, but maybe not. As with people, a dog might not start out bad, but some of them may reach a point where the effort of rehabilitation is too much to expect of anyone.
As for dogs, we had dogs when I was a kid but I've never had a dog of my own, so I won't pretend to have great knowledge of dogs. However, as is usually the case, I won't allow my ignorance of the subject to keep me from having an opinion. I think that most dogs can be safe under the right conditions or circumstances, but not everyone is able to meet these circumstances.
I'll pivot to cats, since I know cats. As I've mentioned before, particularly in the first rendition of this forum, I took in a feral adult cat, who lived to be at least 24 years old. Over time, she became domesticated to the point where I could pick her up anytime, cuddle with her, and even tease her, usually without triggering any of the feral instincts, but she never fully divested herself of these instincts. There were times when, during play, something would snap within her, which I consider to be a form of feline PTSD, and she'd go wild, claws out and making me bleed. Then, she'd realize what she had done, and, in her way, make up for it. She would only be triggered during play-fighting, but she loved to play-fight, so I took my chances.
A little bit of blood every now and then was acceptable to me, and it was well worth the pleasure she gave me. However, she would not have been a suitable cat for a household with children, who might be expected to play with her in that way. Without fully meaning to, she might have taken one eye out.
Dogs, of course, can kill you faster and more easily than a cat. As is the case with people, I don't doubt that there are some dogs who cannot be rehabilitated or made safe. Most of them probably could be, but someone might have to devote a great deal of time in doing this, or to create the right circumstances and conditions. @Faye Fox has pointed out that Wire Hair Terriers require constant attention, and not everyone is able or willing to give them the attention they need. The same dog she referenced might have been a good dog if it were with someone who gave it the attention it required, but maybe not. As with people, a dog might not start out bad, but some of them may reach a point where the effort of rehabilitation is too much to expect of anyone.
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