That would have been a possibility, but it's too late for that now. I don't know where she hides when she's in the walk-in closet. Michelle has too much junk piled in there.
Hot Water Heater
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Hoping that all goes well with the installation, and that Ella does not decide to sneak out at some point. Now that she is hiding, like you said you can’t find her to make sure she is still there, so you may be worrying for a while after the workers are gone.
I am really happy that @Bobby Cole decided to put in the little wall tankless heater instead of trying to get a new big tank in there. Even if he did all the work himself, it would have cost us a lot more, and the tankless heater does everything we need it to. Plus, now we have all that space where the hot water tank was at , and we can use it for extra kitchen storage.
I am really happy that @Bobby Cole decided to put in the little wall tankless heater instead of trying to get a new big tank in there. Even if he did all the work himself, it would have cost us a lot more, and the tankless heater does everything we need it to. Plus, now we have all that space where the hot water tank was at , and we can use it for extra kitchen storage.
I look forward to watching Ella when she comes downstairs. Whenever something new is added, she will examine it from all directions, generally with a look of concern or disapproval. That water heater will be looked over closely, I'm sure.
Interestingly, the guy who is doing the installation has an apprentice. The guy doing the installation is in his 70s, and his apprentice looks to be at least 60. I have noticed that while utility trades are in great demand and pay well, they are not the kinds of jobs younger people want to do. I will also note that I personally know at least a dozen people in town in their 20s and 30s who are not employed.
Beth Gallagher
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My grandson's uncle owns a plumbing company and offered an apprenticeship to my grandson when he graduated high school. The kid was interested at first until his first "toilet emergency", and after throwing up at the jobsite he decided that plumbing is not his calling and went to college.
Ella came downstairs moments after they left and went immediately to the hot water heater, as if she knew exactly what they were doing and is now going to inspect their work.
Marie Miller
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Catscan in progress
Bobby Cole
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He’ll probably learn more crap in college than he’d face as a plumber.My grandson's uncle owns a plumbing company and offered an apprenticeship to my grandson when he graduated high school. The kid was interested at first until his first "toilet emergency", and after throwing up at the jobsite he decided that plumbing is not his calling and went to college.
To be sure though, there’s a lot more to plumbing than dealing with the anatomical grindings of the human body.
I’m not sure about all states but in some, to be a certified plumber one has to be a pipe fitter to boot and work with partial fabrication and fitting natural gas pipes and lines. (which is why they can legally hook up natural gas water heaters)
I knew a plumber who worked on off shore oil rigs as a pipe fitter and he made a couple thousand a week. I believe he went on to add underwater welding to his resume’ which pays a ton more.
Mary Stetler
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I was thinking about doing that at the farm if that heater ever quit.
I totally recommend getting one of these tankless heaters, @Mary Stetler ! It has worked better for us than having the hot water tank. It never gets sediment or leaks or does any of those bad things that old hot water tanks can do. We have hot water as fast as with a tank, but not having to keep all that water heated all the time.
It barely takes up any room, and Bobby seemed to be able to install it easily.
Mary Stetler
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If you think about it, why would a kid who can sit on a computer or phone at a desk and invent a company want to work at ANY of the 'dirty jobs' like plumber, roofer, line man....? When they finally pay them enough to get off their buts to do the work, we won't be able to afford them.
I married my hubby after he replaced a toilet for me. But he got old
and now we have to have everything done for us.Mary Stetler
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On top of everything else, built-in obsolescence is a problem. At our old house we had a huge, 60 gallon, very old water heater. I learned that it had an actual belt or two that got pulled out and replaced when it had a problem. The steel was so heavy that it didn't rust through. I think it was 30 years old at the time. So was our furnace and that was still running. Now you have to replace both every 10-15 years.
Here they had a 30 gallon in the middle of the floor in the basement. I wanted to finish the basement (I love to do that) and wanted it on a wall. A plumber said it had to be a power vent water heater to do that (expensive) but it lasted 15 years. Just had it replaced. I think it was $2800 all in. The plumber was great.
Here they had a 30 gallon in the middle of the floor in the basement. I wanted to finish the basement (I love to do that) and wanted it on a wall. A plumber said it had to be a power vent water heater to do that (expensive) but it lasted 15 years. Just had it replaced. I think it was $2800 all in. The plumber was great.
Except that many of these kids spend their time gaming, turning to public aid for a living.If you think about it, why would a kid who can sit on a computer or phone at a desk and invent a company want to work at ANY of the 'dirty jobs' like plumber, roofer, line man....? When they finally pay them enough to get off their buts to do the work, we won't be able to afford them.
I married my hubby after he replaced a toilet for me. But he got old
Don Alaska
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Most of the computer jobs will go to AI now. A lot of white collar jobs are being eliminated if you look at the latest jobs report, and illegals are goin unemployed too.If you think about it, why would a kid who can sit on a computer or phone at a desk and invent a company want to work at ANY of the 'dirty jobs' like plumber, roofer, line man....? When they finally pay them enough to get off their buts to do the work, we won't be able to afford them.
I married my hubby after he replaced a toilet for me. But he got old
Shirley Martin
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We had a tankless water heater installed when we added a restroom at the library. It worked OK in the summer, but the water never got really hot in the winter.
Mary Stetler
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And we are going to go to minimum public wage, eventually, I hear.
Our hot water heater isn't a small one but it works very well. Even with some cold temperatures, I notice that our boiler isn't starting up as often as it did when it had to heat the water in the hot water tank, and it was failing, so it wasn't working well. So, its nice to be able to take a more leisurely shower without having to quickly soap up, wait a couple of minutes for the water to heat up again, and then rinse off or, as I usually did, rinse off in cold water.
A prior neighbor did plumbing repairs. I'm surprised he didn't die of sepsis (although alcohol killed him in his 40s.) If I went into plumbing or electrical (and I thought of it), I'd only do new installation...preferably commercial.My grandson's uncle owns a plumbing company and offered an apprenticeship to my grandson when he graduated high school. The kid was interested at first until his first "toilet emergency", and after throwing up at the jobsite he decided that plumbing is not his calling and went to college.
Regarding old guys doing it...I had a plumber who was in his 60s come to my place. COVID killed his business, and when it abated his crews did not come back. I don't know how they paid their bills (myths of government money abound), but the guy went from a thriving business to being solo again. You gotta think he was planning on selling the business and retiring at some point, and now he's stuck with parked trucks and nothing but a customer list to sell. It's gotta be depressing.
That's why I said that if I went tankless, I'd still keep a disconnected old style water heater in line with it so there would be 50 gallons of room-temp water to feed the tankless rather than cold ground water.
We didn't go online shopping for a water heater. We simply discussed various options with the guy who services our boiler, and then talked to the guy he recommended for the installation. Yet, my wife and I are both seeing countless ads for water heaters. More evidence that our iPhones, Siri, and Alexa are spying on us and passing the information on to the advertisers.