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Even some conservative people suffer from "Trump Fatigue": Trump creates chaos, etc.
I question the general use of the word "conservative" to identify a wide group of people. I voted for Trump three times now, yet I could be more closely identified as a liberal according to the actual definitions of the terms, although I am not a liberal by the definitions used by the media today. Looking at people, however they identify themselves, who voted for Trump, the difference isn't so much that Trump is alienating his base, so much as it is that we don't blindly follow a leader or the leadership of a political party in the way that those who consistently vote Democrat do. This can be seen among individual voters and among elected officials, with Democrats rarely voting contrary to the party line, or even daring to publicly disagree with the party line, while Republicans are all over the place. People who voted for Trump don't feel as if they have to blindly agree with every damned thing that he does. We think for ourselves, and if we think something is wrong, we'll call it out.

Democrats can send absolute idiots, like Hank Johnson, to Washington, D.C., because they're not expected to be able to understand the issues; they are told how to vote, and they vote that way. Hank stands out only because he actually speaks sometimes and leaves no doubt. On our side, we have Mitch McConnell, who wasn't always an idiot, but at this point in his life, he probably has to be reminded to breathe. It doesn't matter as long as he presses the right buttons.

We get frustrated with elected Republicans, like Maine's Susan Collins, who frequently vote with the Democrats, not because we want someone who blindly votes the party line, but because we have to do that to get anything passed, because elected Democrats don't even bother considering the issues, but simply vote as they are told, like automatons.

I took a poll on the upcoming elections in Maine. Among the questions were those where I was asked to rate the candidates. I answered that I was extremely dissatisfied with Susan Collins and that I was extremely dissatisfied with her opponent, Troy Jackson. When asked who I would be voting for in November, I said that I would be voting for Susan Collins. The fact that I disliked her opponent even more didn't mean that I liked her any better than I would have liked her if she had a less objectionable opponent. For Maine's 2nd District House seat, I indicated that I was extremely dissatisfied with the Republican candidate, Paul LePage, whom I had voted for when he initially ran for governor, but I didn't vote for his reelection because he's a pompous ass. As for his opponent, Democrat Matt Dunlap, I indicated that I was dissatisfied with him, not extremely dissatisfied, but that I would be voting for Paul LePage. I am familiar with both of them, and Dunlap is a nice guy, and a few years ago, his political views were largely reasonable. However, this time around, he refuses - because, as a Democrat candidate, he isn't allowed to - disavow the communist wing of the party, and is dutifully spouting the communist line. I doubt that he agrees with it, but he'll vote for it. Paul LePage, on the other hand, is an ass, but he'll probably vote right most of the time. This will be the first time that I have voted for Susan Collins, and I didn't vote for LePage's second run for governor.

It would be nice if we had elected officials who took the time to understand the issues and to vote in the best interests of their state or country rather than their party, but if only one political party does that, they will be rendered ineffective.

For most of my time in Maine, I have been unenrolled, which, in Maine, means registered to vote but not aligned with any political party. I briefly registered to vote in 2008 to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary, and ended up running as a Republican candidate for the State House that year, and then I again registered as a Republican in 2012 in order to vote for Ron Paul again in the primary.
 
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Senator Collins apparently does not frequently vote with Democrats.
If you consider AI to be the definitive answer to a question, perhaps you should spend your time chatting with AI. I'd rather hear from actual intelligence. If you'd like to carry on a discussion, please use your own brain. This is a discussion forum for people.
 
Elected Democrats "don't even bother considering the issues" ? This is a very strange statement with which I must disagree.

It doesn't matter that the answer comes via AI. The facts are still the same.

As I see it, Trump's followers (or most of them) do blindly follow him which I find hard to understand considering what a horrible person he is and how frequently he breaks the law.

The idea that Democrats support "communism" is obviously wrong.
 
Good morning to all-

"I question the general use of the word "conservative" to identify a wide group of people."

Ken- I totally agree with your statement. I would add that it is also questionable to label people as "liberal".

For example, I am personally the most conservative person you are likely to ever meet. I live quietly, I don't force myself on anyone else, I don't attack anyone for their opinions or way of life- I tell the truth as I see it, I am married to the same lady for over fifty years, I pay my taxes, and I owe no man for anything. I share what I grow and raise with neighbors, and I spent my life in the public schools helping kids become better people. That's a pretty conservative life, I'd say.

Politically, I can't under any conditions be identified as "conservative" because this term has come to mean, "My Trump, right or wrong!" and I detest the First Felon and his lies and his efforts to harm others. I detest the republican majority in Congress which has handed over so much of their Constitutional duties and powers to the First Felon.

So, labels can mean what anyone wants them to mean, and most the time, labels are not accurate and often downright distortions of truth.

you all be safe and keep well- and confusion to the republicans
Ed
 

President Trump is one of the greatest liars in American history, maybe world history. Yet his followers just apparently accept this as a normal thing. A president who lies so much must be doing huge damage to our country.
 
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President Trump is one of the greatest liars in American history, maybe world history. Yet his followers just apparently accept this as a normal thing.

Most reasonable people are well aware that ALL politicians lie, so another CNN Trump hatchet piece is not exactly breaking news. I don't like Trump the man, but I DO mostly like what he is trying to accomplish for America.

If Trump cured cancer tomorrow, democrats would shit on him for it and start demonstrations promoting cancer. No one is surprised any longer at the level of pure mental illness labelled "TDS."

Note that I am posting my own words and my own opinions. Why don't you try it?
 
Good afternoon to all-

OK, here are my own words.

If Trump cured cancer... will never happen because he never actually did anything in his whole life. He wouldn't know how to make something, or build something, or actually do anything.

Putting forth this idea here about the "unfair" treatment of the First Felon is diagnostic of real "Trump Derangement Syndrome." Those who support the First Felon will support him regardless of his words and his actions- no matter how harmful, and how much of a lie they are.

Trying to defend the First Felon is a tough job- I would hate to feel I had to do that.

you all be safe and keep well- and confusion to the republicans
Ed
 
Do you have any idea how absurd this is? Conservatives by definition hold onto traditions and family values, protecting personal liberties including speech, religious freedom, private property rights, and personal accountability. MAGA is actually a small percentage of true conservatives, but you'd rather paint with your broad brush of ignorance.

I am not MAGA, but I certainly do believe in Making America Great Again. Any American who does not should be ashamed.
I would like to have anyone list the things that Obama, or Biden did that truly made America Great. I definitely don't count Obamacare as that basically enriched insurance companies. Some people were able to get insurance by the ACA but many were not because of it.
List the ways.
 
I would like to have anyone list the things that Obama, or Biden did that truly made America Great. I definitely don't count Obamacare as that basically enriched insurance companies. Some people were able to get insurance by the ACA but many were not because of it.
List the ways.

They won't because they can't. Biden's biggest accomplishment was eating ice cream in the basement... kind of "fiddling while Rome burned" if you will. Who knows what puppeteers were actually running the country for those 4 years.
 
I question the general use of the word "conservative" to identify a wide group of people. I voted for Trump three times now, yet I could be more closely identified as a liberal according to the actual definitions of the terms, although I am not a liberal by the definitions used by the media today. Looking at people, however they identify themselves, who voted for Trump, the difference isn't so much that Trump is alienating his base, so much as it is that we don't blindly follow a leader or the leadership of a political party in the way that those who consistently vote Democrat do. This can be seen among individual voters and among elected officials, with Democrats rarely voting contrary to the party line, or even daring to publicly disagree with the party line, while Republicans are all over the place. People who voted for Trump don't feel as if they have to blindly agree with every damned thing that he does. We think for ourselves, and if we think something is wrong, we'll call it out.

Democrats can send absolute idiots, like Hank Johnson, to Washington, D.C., because they're not expected to be able to understand the issues; they are told how to vote, and they vote that way. Hank stands out only because he actually speaks sometimes and leaves no doubt. On our side, we have Mitch McConnell, who wasn't always an idiot, but at this point in his life, he probably has to be reminded to breathe. It doesn't matter as long as he presses the right buttons.

We get frustrated with elected Republicans, like Maine's Susan Collins, who frequently vote with the Democrats, not because we want someone who blindly votes the party line, but because we have to do that to get anything passed, because elected Democrats don't even bother considering the issues, but simply vote as they are told, like automatons.

I took a poll on the upcoming elections in Maine. Among the questions were those where I was asked to rate the candidates. I answered that I was extremely dissatisfied with Susan Collins and that I was extremely dissatisfied with her opponent, Troy Jackson. When asked who I would be voting for in November, I said that I would be voting for Susan Collins. The fact that I disliked her opponent even more didn't mean that I liked her any better than I would have liked her if she had a less objectionable opponent. For Maine's 2nd District House seat, I indicated that I was extremely dissatisfied with the Republican candidate, Paul LePage, whom I had voted for when he initially ran for governor, but I didn't vote for his reelection because he's a pompous ass. As for his opponent, Democrat Matt Dunlap, I indicated that I was dissatisfied with him, not extremely dissatisfied, but that I would be voting for Paul LePage. I am familiar with both of them, and Dunlap is a nice guy, and a few years ago, his political views were largely reasonable. However, this time around, he refuses - because, as a Democrat candidate, he isn't allowed to - disavow the communist wing of the party, and is dutifully spouting the communist line. I doubt that he agrees with it, but he'll vote for it. Paul LePage, on the other hand, is an ass, but he'll probably vote right most of the time. This will be the first time that I have voted for Susan Collins, and I didn't vote for LePage's second run for governor.

It would be nice if we had elected officials who took the time to understand the issues and to vote in the best interests of their state or country rather than their party, but if only one political party does that, they will be rendered ineffective.

For most of my time in Maine, I have been unenrolled, which, in Maine, means registered to vote but not aligned with any political party. I briefly registered to vote in 2008 to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary, and ended up running as a Republican candidate for the State House that year, and then I again registered as a Republican in 2012 in order to vote for Ron Paul again in the primary.
But I LOVE Hank Johnson.
 
Elected Democrats "don't even bother considering the issues" ? This is a very strange statement with which I must disagree.

It doesn't matter that the answer comes via AI. The facts are still the same.

As I see it, Trump's followers (or most of them) do blindly follow him which I find hard to understand considering what a horrible person he is and how frequently he breaks the law.

The idea that Democrats support "communism" is obviously wrong.
I don't blindly follow Trump. I am for the good he actually does for The US and the world. He IS our president. He is your president. He may have been something less than perfect in his youth; so might we all have been. He believes he has a vision for good in steering the country. It was going the wrong way And I thank God Kamala is not our President now.
Trump uses distracting techniques. Maybe even calling out former associates enemies. Keeping others off balance keeps his plans close to the vest.
Come to think of it, if others turn against his ideas, may be it is good they are not privy to all of his actual ideas.
So many in Congress broke/break the law but no one mentions them--only Trump.
 
That's OK, @Liz Adams. He may be helping your country too, in th

That's OK, @Liz Adams. He may be helping your country too, in the end.
Whether he does or doesn't will remain to be seen.
I used to follow politics a lot ( in uk ) , but I don't know enough about American politics to join in conversations on here , although as I said earlier it's interesting to see everyone's views.
 
Trump would never cure cancer because he only cares about himself and enriching himself and his family and buddies at taxpayer expense. Democrats would praise Trump if he actually did positive things that helped the country, but he doesn't do such things.

He ordered the government to pay 20 million dollars to run political ads for himself. I've seen these ads about 6 times recently. It's wholly illegal for the president to order the government to pay for political ads for himself. Trump is a billionaire. Why can't he pay for his own political ads ?

It's obviously painful for Trump supporters to admit that he's doing anything wrong, so "TDS" is invoked to neutralize any unpleasant facts.
 
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Trump would never cure cancer because he only cares about himself and enriching himself and his family and buddies at taxpayer expense. Democrats would praise Trump if he actually did positive things that helped the country, but he doesn't do such things.

He ordered the government to pay 20 million dollars to run political ads for himself. I've seen these ads about 6 times recently. It's wholly illegal for the president to order the government to pay for political ads for himself. Trump is a billionaire. Why can't he pay for his own political ads ?

It's obviously painful for Trump supporters to admit that he's doing anything wrong, so "TDS" is invoked to neutralize any unpleasant facts.

Most of us here have already posted that we are not in agreement with everything Trump does, that we find him egotistical and annoying, that he has said and done things that we don't agree with, etc. We are not delusional and he does not walk on water. You just gloss over that truth to suit your own purposes.

I couldn't stand George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden, but they were the president(s). I respected the office even though I couldn't wait for those three to vacate the White House. I will be happy to see Trump's term end, but only if another Republican will follow. Of course then TDS sufferers will turn spewing hatred on that person as well, because apparently that's all they've got.
 
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Trump would never cure cancer because he only cares about himself and enriching himself and his family and buddies at taxpayer expense. Democrats would praise Trump if he actually did positive things that helped the country, but he doesn't do such things.

He ordered the government to pay 20 million dollars to run political ads for himself. I've seen these ads about 6 times recently. It's wholly illegal for the president to order the government to pay for political ads for himself. Trump is a billionaire. Why can't he pay for his own political ads ?

It's obviously painful for Trump supporters to admit that he's doing anything wrong, so "TDS" is invoked to neutralize any unpleasant facts.
Please continue.
 
I give up on this thread. Que Sera Sera. No matter what ever us contributors think of the present administration, (good or bad) we have no control of it. Hopefully, whatever someone's political outlook is, they will get to the polls in November and vote with their conscience and not their party. These senators and representatives are to be representing us their constituents, not the administration, so get to know your representatives and what they stand for, not who they stand for.
 
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