When Is Too Old?

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  1. Cody Fousnaugh

    Cody Fousnaugh Very Well-Known Member
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    Wife and I were on our way to pick up some dry cleaning when we seen a school bus being driven by a short, and what looked like, at least 80 yr old lady. One thing we do know for sure, she looked close to 80, if not 80 or above. We were both shocked to see a lady this short and this old driving a school bus.

    Now, we have numerous accidents in this city, including school buses. My wife told me, "I wouldn't let my kids ride on that bus with her driving!" Had to agree. This is no small town out in the "boonies" of Wyoming or Montana with little-to-no traffic, this is a city of almost 1 million people and a ton of traffic.

    So, when is a person "to old" to do this kind of work? Should she be doing this?
     
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    I think age has nothing to do with qualifications. If she can pass all the requirements of the job she should have it. I know some older drivers that are better than some young ones. I know it is a shock to see someone that you think is not capable of doing something, doing it. I have seen 80/90 year olds teaching Judo and performing it better than a younger person. I myself teach at 74 years old.
     
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    No, I wouldn't be happy Cody
    I think there should be an age limit on that responsible job, especially in built up areas
     
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    That's fine, but I worked in Senior Healthcare for a few years and I've seen how a Senior's health can go down the drain fairly quickly. We just don't think someone that old should be driving a bus full of kids around. She could have a heart attack or any other serious medical problem occur while behind the wheel and the kids on the bus would definitely be in jeopardy of injuries.

    There has to be a limit to certain things and certain jobs at a certain age..........qualified or not.
     
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    Tom Delaney 94-year-old racing car driver
    Paul Newman at 84 years old was racing
    Age is only a number not a qualification
     
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    Yes but they're not driving children are they. There are some amazing older folks its true, maybe we are being
    unfair on this lady
    Can only say, see a 'lot' of accidents, especially driving into shop fronts - all older people
     
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    True, Patsy. I see nothing wrong with older drivers but maybe when it comes to driving a school bus...they shouldn't be allowed.

    Although there have been many school bus accidents and the drivers weren't old.
     
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    Have to 100% agree with this!
     
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    That's true !
    Back to mobile phones - texting - lack of judgement, common sense, the list is endless
    Some don't even have a license to drive !
     
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    True..some even have criminal records.
     
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    Just ask some of the Seniors on this forum if "age is just a number". Unfortunately, many of us, due to health reasons or past sugeries, can't do some or many things we use to do. I know that holds true for wife and I.

    When the lives of others, especially children, are put into the hands of a person who is, or could be, to old to do that certain job, they shouldn't be hired. Age discrimination just can't be a part of some jobs. I wouldn't trust an 80 year old man or woman operating a cnc machine or drill press or using a forklift.
     
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    Where does poor health, poor judgement, and all these thing start. At what age are you not able to do your job? I would think that they check out people who drive busses especially ones that have children if not do something about the people that made that happen. The idea of at a certain age you are useless bothers me. Looks like age discrimination. If we start down that slippery slope it will be a time when they say you are to old we have to put you down your a burden on the rest of us.
     
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    No body is saying "at a certain age a person is useless, but common sense does tell us at a certain age some things just shouldn't be done and some people shouldn't be hired to do certain things. That's just the way it is and many Seniors know that. There are Seniors here that drive at the speed limit or below it on the freeways. In a fast-paced area, like ours, that is extremely dangerous to the driver and drivers around them.

    My MIL would back up traffic in the Carpool Lane because she drove so slow. Wife and I rode with her once and people behind us were blasting their horns at here and some pulled out of the lane, went around her and back into the lane. We never rode with her again.

    If there are Seniors that can still do some, or many, of the things they did years upon years ago, more power to them. But, many can't.
     
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    I think it should be judged on a case by case basis. There are 80 year olds that are sharper than some 60 year olds and there are some 25 year olds that shouldn't be on the road.

    I think after a certain age drivers are required to be tested every year by the DMV...and anybody could have a heart attack or faint at any age.

    There are lots of accidents and most are probably caused by younger drivers, although it was an 80 yr old that t boned my daughter when she was 16. Now, she shouldn't have been allowed to drive because she had a record of similar accidents.

    Also, you say she looked 80...she could have been 70 and just aged poorly.
     
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    If they cannot that means they are not qualified and has nothing to do with age.
     
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    I had to think about all of the very valid points that have been made thus far and have a reverse situation: why is too young, too young? Certainly there are many young people out there who have the mental and physical wherewithal to drive a school bus but because of their age, they cannot.
    There is a start up driving age for private vehicles and I imagine that there are some local rules and regulations that also apply to when a person is old enough to drive a school bus.

    In this case, we have an aged lady who I imagine has driven a school bus for the last 50 years or so and probably the same route day in and day out during the school year. (Mere supposition of course) She probably knows every doctor, lawyer, and trash collector that previously rode her bus when they were children which might make it all the more painful to say nice job and it's time to sit down and let the 30 year olds get a chance.
    I am seriously trying not to be cold hearted but if there are rules about the age when someone is deemed by the laws of insurance averages concerning a starting age then there should, in kind, be an ending date also. If someone reaches the end age then offer them a desk job or give them their gold watch, a farewell party and a nice pension wherever possible.

    I know, I too really want to be superman all the days I have on this earth but there will come a time when I will have to realize that my cape is rumpled and I'll have to stick to leaping over ant hills in my yard because even the shortest building will be too tall challenge.
     
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    I think if you know something about an older person that would make them dangerous driving, I think we should report them even if it means they'll not be able to drive ....better one person ticked off than a family dead.

    I'm pretty sure people with seizures shouldn't be driving or even on medical marijuana....I don't know what the law is for that though. I know recreational is the same as drunk driving though.
     
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    Although some of the people I worked with have retired, become nurses, doctors, or have gone on to do other thing with their lives, many of them are still working in EMS, driving ambulance Code 3, lifting patients, and so on. Yet, without having actual numbers in front of me, it seems to me that most of the accidents involving EMS personnel driving emergency vehicles involve those on the younger end of the scale, as eighteen is the minimum age in most states.

    While there may be some deterioration of reflexes or eyesight, I am thinking that this might be more than balanced by the fact that these EMS veterans have gotten over the initial thrill of driving fast, with lights and siren blasting, and are more likely to recognize that many cases don't require rapid transport. There is also the fact that EMS veterans are more likely to be paramedics rather than EMT-Basics, and are more likely to be in the back with the patient rather than driving, yet many EMS systems today staff two paramedics together and use their lower-level EMTs for non-emergencies.

    I left EMS because I had hurt myself seriously while lifting a patient. I don't think that my driving abilities are seriously impaired yet, and would feel comfortable driving an emergency vehicle.
     
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    Perhaps a little research might be appropriate in order to arrive at some conclusions using age brackets with a per capita scale involving " professional" drivers. Local DMV or even the more responsible auto insurance companies might have some figures to enlighten us all.
     
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    I have been driving since I was fourteen on the back road and highways and byways of Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. I'm turning 84 next month. My drivers license is good thru 2019, but for the past six years I have been driving subject to my physical condition as derived by an MD and by an appropriate eye doctor. I don't drive into OKC on the interstate any longer and my eyesight will not allow me to drive night. I drive to the barber shop, to the bank periodically, to the grocery market on a regular basis, and visit my son and his family here in Norman. When in August this I will no longer seek an examination of my physical but will advise the Medical Board that advises the State Patrol that I no longer wish to go through the hassle of obtaining permission to drive in the State of Oklahoma.

    If I had been driving a bus and I have had a commercial or a license to haul passengers and have since I was sixteen,I would have quit this before my 75th birthday. To drive commercial vehicles or buses I feel drivers should be tested periodically. I know there are seniors older than I who are more capable of safe driving than some of the sixteen, seventeen, or older drivers the testing officers turn loose upon our streets and highways but I am not one of them. I think its time I quit. I'll use Uber or some other method to get around after this summer. I always thought I ride a bicycle when I gave up driving but I can no longer pump myself down a street. I do not have the lung capacity or the energy to power myself to walk a block from the house then I cannot get back home on my own. I have advanced COPD and have survived my second heart attack but it has left me a weakling. My primary activity is my computer and my harmonica. My computer has not been active for a while except for an occasional visit to Facebook or to read newspapers around the world. HopefullyI will be tapping the keys again eat soon.

    I enjoy playing my harmonica. I can play better than I ever hoped to but I play best the old gospel hymns that were sung when I grew up in a small church. I can still remember them work for word but I have trouble remembering todays music: rock, country, bluegrass. I bought an old shaped notes songbook at a garage sale on my street last year. Surprising it was hardly used. But from it I can tell the key in which it was written and can play a song in that key. At first it frustrated me because all I could think to play was religious music but I have come to enjoy it, playing some with great respect, others giving a bluesy feel.

    Apologies, I have gotten off subject and have begun to ramble.
     
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    I feel younger drivers lack experience, and men being testosterone driven in their youth often take more risks, so I would make a minimum age of say 30 for school buses, and possibly large vehicles in general. I had a few accidents in my late teens/early twenties but none since.
    There is evidence that a persons reflex actions do not noticeably slow with age, but other health factors could make the older driver unsafe of course................ironically we have had several truck and bus accidents recently in the UK, involving men in their 50s suffering blackouts and heart attacks....so health affects all ages. I feel the majority of seniors instinctively sense when they should stop, but not all I guess..
     
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    I agree about young drivers, I'd like to see the age put up to 21 for a drivers license
     
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    Totally agree! And, stop all the different iPhone stuff that goes on (texting, checking e-mail and on and on). Wear the seatbelt, slow down, but, drive with the speed of traffic!
     
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