Was The U. S. S. Ship Fitzgerald Hit On Purpose?

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  1. Gary Ridenour

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    I question they're ability to handle these monsters



    note the bulbous bow. I suspect that may have done severe damage below the Fitz's waterline
     
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    the ACX Crystal

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    It is very sad this happen but I am very surprised that no one was at watch on either boat and no radar contact on the destroyer. This sounds very strange Ships at sea normally the bigger has the right of way because they have poorer chance to move out of the way. I sailed for six years on the ocean and you can see those big ships miles away even at night.
     
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    This mornings news is that another of our destroyers was also rammed in the side, this one the USS John McCain, near Singapore. This is the second time in the last two months that this has happened, and the fourth such collision in the past year.
    What is happening here folks ?
    I think it is just like now we have someone in a vehicle plowing into crowds of people. Those kinds of accidents didn't use to happen before either, unless it was someone very drunk, or had a heart attack, or something similar, and when it did happen; it was actually an accident.
    This would appear to be a similar kind of thing, and our Navy destroyers are being rammed in the side and putting them out of operation. The last cargo ship that rammed us had turned off their transmitters and so they were not detected by the destroyer until it was too late for them to maneuver out of the way.
    Some posts on Facebook are also mentioning some kind of a bomb, and this seems also possible. We have suicide bombers, people with a bomb attached, so why not a whole cargo ship with a bomb in the nose ?
     
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    There is something very strange about both. How could a slower moving boat hit a faster moving boat?? Maybe the electronics on the ships not working and if that was true how could they ever protect themselves from a missile?? Interesting
     
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    this makes number 4. what in the holy hell is going on here?? this is not the Navy I served in
     
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    I do not think for one minute that all of these crashes can be the fault of our navy, and probably not any of them are our fault, in my opinion. I think that this is the marine version of a suicide bomber, or whatever they call these people who crash cars into groups of innocent people.
    One of the interesting theories out there is that this is tied to new technology for some kind of a bomb (I forget the name of it).
    Back when the first Maylasian plane was lost, there was a whole group of scientists on board the plane , and some new technology that they had developed, and were returning from a conference about.
    After they were lost/killed, the person left owning the technology was one of the Rothschild (or maybe it was Rockefeller, I can't remember anymore); and the assumption is that this is what is now being used to target our destroyers.
     
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    another CO's career is headed for the bottom. back to basics??

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    There is thing that don't make sense to hit one of these ships is like a rhino hitting a cheetah. These navy boats are a lot faster. Now the question why did they not see the tanker it is big enough I have personally see them miles away. It seems that either they wanted to be hit which I do not believe than they could not get out of the way and if that is true the navy has a big problem. Did they not have men on deck that could see another ship? I know that one time I was sailing at night I picked up some other ships on radar I made a call for identification he reply you see us on radar yes do you see us now and they were gone off my radar I think they were military no proof but my radar could no longer see them. There is so many questions about what is going on but to think a tanker or a cargo ship could run down a military ship is crazy unless there was something wrong on the navy vessels.
     
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    I think that these attacks (yes, that is what I think they are) are happening at night @Martin Alonzo , and I think that they are turning the radar off so that our destroyers are not able to tell there is another ship until it is way too close.
    We are not having other ships crashing into each other, and it is happening in the same area of the world, so just the fact that our Navy destroyers are the only ships having this happen to them , seem to me to be a definite proof that we are being targeted, and the attacking ships are not just ordinary tankers or cargo ships, they are specially outfitted to become invisible on radar.
     
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    from Townhall

    A fleetwide review of seamanship and training was ordered by the chief of naval operations, Navy Adm. John Richardson.

    “This will include, but not be limited to, looking at operational tempo, trends in personnel, materiel, maintenance and equipment,” Richardson said. “It also will include a review of how we train and certify our surface warfare community, including tactical and navigational proficiency.” I would like to know what kind of underway training they have now.

    during the Nam war we thru a program called ORI. Overseas Readiness Inspection. and it was a bitch. every ship was required to pass it before going overseas.
    it was designed to put us under pressure and see how we reacted to emergencies of all kinds including wartime. the ship is sinking. do something !! you got another ship on course to hit you. do something !! they watched and graded. it was this side of hell and lasted about a month.. I went thru my search engine and cannot find if the Navy still use's ORI. which probably explains all these collisions. I have no idea what we use for underway training today but ORI insured this crap did not happen to us.

    pardon my french
     
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    Gary I think there is something going on that either they are too embarrass to admit. that these ships might be controlled by some one else. I know this is not the navy of the past and I sail around long enough to know these big ship don't sneak up on you. Even if you do not see them you hear them.
     
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    you mean control of the wheel and speed, course etc. how can it be done without the crew knowing?? the one thing you can't control is look outs.

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    Most of these ships are filled with electronics and if they had all failed what could they do?? Would the US navy admit that they were that vulnerable? Gary I don't know what is going on but I think you and I are scratching out heads on how this could happen.
     
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    Already, conspiracies are beginning to make the rounds that the USSMcCain—and the USS Fitzgerald earlier this summer—were the victims of GPS sabotage. The theory goes that some unfriendly power interfered with the U.S.-owned, satellite-based Global Positioning System. Military and commercial ships worldwide utilize GPS to determine their locations in relation to other ships. So-called "GPS spoofing" causes GPS trackers to misidentify a ship's location, presumably confusing ships and causing accidents.
    but the Navy is still looking at safety procedures and training. let's see where this investigation goes
     
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    It would seem a terrible shame to damage a perfectly good cargo or oil carrying vessel just to damage a US ship that will be repaired and back on duty in short order. I suspect it was poor seamanship, depending on radar only, or poor attention to duty.
     
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    You could easily get caught up in all the conspiracies of what it was or who did it and why. I think the facts will be a long time coming out. In both cases a look out seen these ships coming and they could do nothing to stop it that would mean they were either dead in the water or unable to change course or speed up. Any of these things would give the navy a black eye so I don't think they will admit what really happened.
     
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    it was steering failure. also 7th fleet CO fired

    The USS John McCain suffered a steering malfunction when it collided with an oil tanker near Singapore on Monday, according to a US Navy official who spoke to CNN.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...steering-malfunction-report-article-1.3431483

    The U.S. Navy has dismissed the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months.

    The Navy cited a loss of confidence in Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin’s ability to command, the Associated Press reported.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23/us-navy-dismisses-7th-fleet-commander-after-deadly-mishaps.html
     
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    My thoughts exactly ! They were not just ship accidents either, they were all with our missile destroyers, and from getting broadsided below the waterline. These are just too much alike for it to be either coincidence or poor seamanship . Something is going on, and I still think that it could be part of that secret cloaking device that was supposedly lost after the Maylasian plane disappearance a couple of years ago. There was talk about the plane being captured because of the scientists on board that had designed the device, and fro what I have been reading, it was something that could be used against us so that someone could ram our destroyers in the dark and the people on the destroyer would not know that the other ship was even close to them until it was too late for them to turn.
    I really think that our own people are covering this up for some reason, too.
     
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    I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do have to wonder about those ships.
     
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    I am sorry, @Shirley Martin ! I have been trying to keep my tinfoil hat locked in the back closet; but sometimes it just shows up there on my head, and there is nothing I can do......
     
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    well if they ever sink one we'll know someone doesn't like us
     
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