Twenty Dead In Texas Church Shooting

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    ...and thirty injured.
     
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    oooh dear Lord... it's never ending...


    At least 27 people have been killed inside a Texas church - including a two-year-old child - after a gunman dressed in full combat gear opened fire during the morning service before cops shot him dead.

    The shooting happened at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, where around 50 people usually attend service, according to local reports.

    Wilson County Commissioner Albert Gamez Jr told CNN that at least 27 people have been killed in the shooting, but the death toll is expected to climb.

    'My heart is broken,' Gamez said. 'We never think where it can happen, and it does happen. It doesn't matter where you're at. In a small community, real quiet and everything, and look at this, what can happen.'

    At least 24 others were injured in the horrific shooting. Witnesses said a man 'in full gear' walked inside the church and opened fire just before 11.30am.

    First Baptist Church Pastor Frank Pomeroy told ABC that his 14-year-old daughter is among the dead. She 'was one very beautiful, special child,' the pastor said. Sherri Pomeroy, Frank Pomeroy's wife, said her husband was out of town at the time of the reported shooting.



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html


     
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    Still no motive or much details. What a tragedy. I think here it goes again and when will it ever stop.
     
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    Very sad. :(
     
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    Think we’d better think more about these shootings in the U.S. and less about N. Korea. Not that N. Korea’s threat shouldn’t be taken seriously, but
     
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    This is an American problem that needs to be sorted out by Americans. There is nothing to say other than my thoughts are with the families of the dead and injured.
     
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    Yes, it's an American problem that remains unsolvable, because IMO the "mindset" of those precariously balanced on the fence of reality easily sway over towards use of their firearms to absolve themselves of their predicament.

    Unsolvable because given the balance of firearms use statistics to: stop a crime in progress, prevent a crime about to occur, prevent heinous activity upon another, deter a potentially lethal self-defense threat, far outweigh the potential for meager gain in alleviating crime, based on presented evidence.
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    Before the cops shot him dead ????
     
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    I didn't read that the cops shot him dead anywhere @Martin Alonzo ...all Ive heard was that these two citizens shot and chased him and then he went off the road and it's not sure if he shot himself or one of these guys did it.

    I think at that point even the police were there, so it will be up to ballistics to find where the shot that killed him came from.

    Can't stand when already the spin begins....both sides. :(
     
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    Also, I don't think he should have passed the background check to buy the gun. Maybe that needs to be a little tighter...someone didn't do a thorough job....maybe there should be a law that if you fail to do a proper background check you'll lose your license to sell guns.

    Think they would be a lot more careful in who they sell to in my opinion.

    Someone who has a record of assaulting their wife and child should not be allowed to buy a gun...no??
     
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    That's pretty much what I heard on the radio not long after the incident. But at that time, they didn't know whether he had died from his wounds, killed himself, or was shot again by the police.

    From his Facebook page, before they took it down, he was Antifa, and had posted about the Antifa Civil War, which was supposed to have started this weekend.
     
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    This was in Holly thread

    At least 27 people have been killed inside a Texas church - including a two-year-old child - after a gunman dressed in full combat gear opened fire during the morning service before cops shot him dead.
     
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    That doesn't make it a fact....Holly posted when it just happened, things changed after that.
     
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    Is there a screenshot of his FB page?

    I don't see him as antifa. Just mental.

    I also read he was militia. Everybody has an opinion but no real fact.
     
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    If you read my thread I put many question marks on the statement.
    When I want to find the deep state answer I check out snopes
     
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    Here's the latest from DM....


    REVEALED: Texas shooter sent 'threatening texts' to his mother-in-law, who attended church where he massacred 26 people before calling his father to say goodbye before committing suicide
    • Officials say Devin Patrick Kelley was in a domestic dispute with his mother-in-law Michelle Shields, who attended First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas
    • At an afternoon press conference, it was revealed that Kelley sent 'threatening texts' to his mother-in-law
    • Officials wouldn't go into further details about the family fight
    • Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackett said that Kelley and his wife Danielle were estranged
    • Danielle used to work as a teacher at the church, her mother is friends with the pastor's wife on social media
    • Records show they were married in April 2014, when Kelley was 23 and his bride was 19
    • He was also married at least once before, to a Tessa K Kelley
    • The couple divorced in 2012, the same year he was court-martialed for domestic violence
    • After killing 26 in the church on Sunday, Kelley fled in his car and was found dead behind the wheel
    • The official cause of death is pending, but officials believe he committed suicide by gun
    • Before killing himself, he called his father and said he didn't think he was going to make it, officials said




    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...church-ex-s-laws-worshiped.html#ixzz4xflbfoWI
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    I saw the Facebook page. Now they're saying that it was a fake Facebook page put up after the shooting, which may be. I don't know. If it was an Antifa thing, the media isn't going to want to let us know that, and Snopes wouldn't attribute it to Antifa unless he had signed orders on Antifa letterhead. The left, which means the media, is going to want to go with the gun control angle and, since Antifa are the media's darlings, they are not going to go there unless proof of it comes out without them. You can be sure that if he had ever once even attended anything that they could attribute to right-wing, no proof would be needed - that's where they'd go.

    Whenever something like this occurs, I am sure that there are more than one thing in play. Reasonable people may not understand the motives of these people because they are not reasonable people, but there are motives. However, there are probably multiple motives.

    Even when there is proof of involvement with ISIS, BLM, KKK, Antifa, or some other terrorist group, I doubt that answers all the questions. People don't carry out crazy plots to kill innocent people if everything else is going well with their lives. Probably there is mental illness involved, or anger, reasonable or otherwise. Sometimes, these are people who don't see any reason to live anymore and the lure of going out with their own Wikipedia page might play into it.
     
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    There is a question that has been in my mind all day. I'm sure it has been on the mind of others, too, but they haven't had the nerve to ask.

    Where was God when this happened in his house?

    These people were gathered there with their hearts full of love for him, worshipping him, and singing his praise. Then this gunman came in and butchered them like pigs. Why didn't God stop him? He could have more easily than I can twitch my little finger. But he didn't. Why?
     
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    God didn't promise to keep us safe and happy here on earth. He certainly didn't promise that to Christ's apostles.
     
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    Yes, they have sadly found the motive. I just heard in the news briefing being carried by both CNN and Fox that he appears to have been shot twice by the citizen or citizens and one self inflicted.

    He had a history of violence.

    I agree @Chrissy Cross the spin is going full force. I think it was Lars Larson however that I heard on the radio driving home from work. He's trying to blame this on the Obama administration somehow. I can't remember his exact spin, but I think it had to do with the fact that his military discharge was not reported to the FBI. Don't know how that happened and he was stating "poor training" but not only was he putting down Obama (fine, go for it) but I thought he was disrespectful to military personal which I'm sure wasn't his intention.
     
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    Now there is talk of putting our clergymen through defensive training, and the proper certification to carry and use guns in our churches. It’s not just churches anymore. As we’ve seen, it can be any occasion that draws large crowds. Look what happened in California recently.

    It seems the shooters in each case see themselves as getting a place in history.

    In this country as in many, these mentally ill people seem to see these kinds of atrocities as something to be proud of. This has gone way past hero infatuations, and in today’s world, these people seem to think of themselves as avengers, or as God,

    In 1993, my family had to go through all these questions when our oldest 27year old son was murdered. He had just come off the plane still in his Army Ranger uniform, when he was taken to a neighborhood BBQ, none of us knew the shooter,

    I don’t know if guns are the answers, but all gatherings are dangerous in today’s world, and churches are a known gathering places these criminals feel powerful
     
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    Here is an interview with the man that shot the shooter
     
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    The Texas Attorney General has urged more folks possessing carry permits to carry their concealed weapons with them when they attend church.

    Interesting. Gotta fight bullets with bullets, the reality is. When a mental derelict like Kelley goes on such a rampage, he undoubtedly is lavishing himself with self-praise and feels proud of his "guts". Few such misfits ever shoot at police cars, though.
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