The Ultimate Conspiracy

Discussion in 'Conspiracies & Paranormal' started by Ken Anderson, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. Ken Anderson

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    Crazy stuff, but could it be true?

     
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    Well, Ken, you opened the door; so I am going to come into this little conspiracy conversation, too.
    Jade Helm is definitely worrisome, and there is all kinds of info to be found on the inernet with differing opinions as to both the purpose, and the outcome of this drill.
    There is information on the internet that says that the Russsians have ships and submarines just off of the Texas coast, with some saying that they are there to help the people of America should the government start rounding us all up for FEMA camps.
    Others say they are there to attack the US when we are not expecting it. Who knows ?

    Another popular theory involves the incoming comet/asteroid/planet x sometime in the next couple of months, and says that the government is preparing for a worldwide disaster. Some people are now reporting that the drill does not stop in September; but will continue into November, or even beyond.

    Here is a Caravan To Midnight program with a person who has spent a lot of time studying Jade Helm, and just what it means.
    She thinks that it involves artificial intelligence and the use of that to plan military moves and strategies. It is a long video; but if you are interested in learning more about this possibility; it is well worth the time spent to listen. (hint: I get out my knitting before I listen to these)

     
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    The latest internet report suggests planned power outages along the California and Nevada border area. This is the only advance notice that has been reported by anyone; but it is also possible that this can happen in more of the JH areas.
    Since there is no media coverage allowed, it may be really hard for us to know what is actually going on.
    Another worrisome thing is that the military has also alerted the local law enforcement to expect emergency 911 calls during the night, and not to respond to those calls, because they are part of the JH operation.
    This leads a person to wonder what exactly will be happening at people's houses at night that they will frantically call the police to help them ?
    If no news comes out, we will never know if or when or where things like this are happening.

    Another odd thing that I was reading today is about the "Doomsday Plane". This is a special aircraft that is designed to carry our president and other government leaders to safety in case of an attack, or other disaster like an asteroid hit, mega earthquake, tsunami, anything that might endanger their lives.
    It can fly for days without needing to land and refuel; so anyone in the plane would be safe for at least that long. The crew for the plane live right next to whre the plane is kept, so it can be loaded up and read to go in a few moments notice.
    Apparently, they have been doing practice flights with this plane this past week.

    I am still wondering about the possibility of the asteroid strike, and the necessity of having the military in place and ready to help out with rescue work. If that is what is in store, then I am glad that they are preparing for it.

    http://allnewspipeline.com/Major_Red_List_Alert_Power_Station_Drill.php
     
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    I can't imagine anything that could be less in the interests of the country right now than for our president to be safe.
     
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    It is the puppet masters we have to watch and not be concerned with the puppets [president]
     
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    I think that you are right, and also Martin is correct that the "fearless leader" is only a puppet, and not the one actually pulling the strings and making the decisions. That is probably why they send him off golfing so much; he is useless for much else than being a figurehead.
    However, the point I was making about the plane, was that the government must be expecting SOMETHING to happen, since they are making sure that the escape plane is ready. If they are going to have to get the president off the earth for a few days, then they must think that whatever is coming is really bad !
     
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    I'm going to bring this back up to the front because I wasn't on this Forum when this tread was posted...but I have some opinions to share on this.
    When Jade Helm was annouced I did some research on it and came to this conclusion. Jade Helm was just another step in setting up for the One World Government we will live under one day. Although other Countries are calling their "Jade Helms" by different names, they are also carrying out these things just like here in America. The One World Government is not going to just "magically appear" out of no where. There is so much to set in place so that the One World Leader (which Christians call the antichrist) will just step into place when the timing is right. But behind the scenes...now and for many years in the past there are those who have been quietly putting into place everything that is needed when the One World Government and Leader steps unto the "stage" to play his role. This is not only predicted in Biblical Prophecy, but is a known fact to the "elite" who are setting up for this...and for us who have done the research and the "math" on this. Hillary Clinton wants this One World Order...that's another reason we should not elect her to be our President'

    Alot of people believe all this stuff is just conspiracy theory but there is to much proof out there proving that it is a fact and "the elite" who are really running our Country and many other Countries have this as their Agenda for the very near future.
     
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    You never need an excuse for bumping up an older thread here, as I like having conversations continue even if they may have been dormant for a time. I know that some forum administrators feel differently, but it's all about the conversation here, and I'd rather have longer, substantive threads than a large number of them.

    People forget that the word "conspiracy" is not necessarily followed by "theory," but of course, that too is a part of the conspiracy. There are plenty of real conspiracies going on all around us, and it is clear that many of those in power have been working on a one-world government for quite some time now, whether or not you choose to attribute a biblical meaning to it.
     
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    I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, or asteroids hitting the earth because truth is if something like that does happen, I'd rather die instantly than struggle in a type of world that I'm not used to. I can't even imagine what all the people that are on meds that they need to live will do. I'm pretty sure walgreens won't have my synthroid, without it after awhile I'll be going into a coma. I'm only looking at one single aspect of survival. I only have one or two meds I need to take, some people need a lot more to survive. Just the people on oxygen, insulin, BP meds, meds for your heart, etc. yep, very few older people will survive no matter how much food you have stored or guns you have. It will be worse than any dystopian novel or movie.

    Just my opinion on a very major disaster happening.
     
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    WELL SAID! And I might add, a masterful way of saying it!

    Frank
     
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    "I think that you are right, and also Martin is correct that the "fearless leader" is only a puppet, and not the one actually pulling the strings and making the decisions."

    Years back, a shady top-level politically strategic group was gradually revealed as the "Trilateral Commission". This group of top-level industrialists as well as political leaders met in secret, in very out of the way places, once, high in the Swiss Alps. Allegedly these discussions decided the direction to be followed in future world events. No media reporters were allowed, in fact, "news" was leaked pertaining to upcoming meetings giving false information about times and locations. Other similar groups were hinted at.

    Given the enormous amount of things going on in a large country, the highest "leader" must in reality be constantly advised by an army of help regarding importance, priorities, and so on. In that respect, yes, many decisions are not via the President. Make no mistake about the degree of Presidential power, though. The "stakes" in the game are higher than we can possibly imagine.

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    Put aside conspiracy and conspiracy theory...even biblical prophecy and you still come up with this FACT: The World is headed towards a One World Government that ultimately with be headed by one man. The "elite" are working towards this. the United Nations is working towards this, etc. and here in America "Executive Orders" and "Laws" have been signed into effect to hasten this day too. Jade Elm was just a tiny cog in a wheel that has been turning for years now with one goal in mind...One World Globalization. I really want to go further into this...but my internet speed is lousy today. I will try to add links to the United Nations Agenda 30, etc. and some of the "Executive Orders" signed by Obama that pertain to this Agenda.

    http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/ This is Agenda 30 passed by the United Nations.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

    This is an Executive Order signed and with an add on by Obama. This Executive Order was signed into effect by President Clinton first and passed down through the other Presidents. The original intent as I understand it was to "pull" everything together in times of National Emegency. But if you read this Order and Agenda 30 you might just find that we have signed into effect not only what might pull us together...but end up with total control over us and our property. Part VIII of this Order is what concerns me.
     
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    Can someone please explain to me how this will ever come about? What about ISIS? Not to mention all the other countries that are dictatorships, or against the West in everything. They out number us.
     
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    "2016 presents an unprecedented opportunity to bring the countries and citizens of the world together to embark on a new path to improve the lives of people everywhere."

    The first sentence in the link, above, cites the "flowery" way in which to lure folks everywhere to respond favorably and acceptingly, to domination. Think not? Last forum, we had numerous Canadian citizens, and several Australians, who consistently dominated any discussion involving comparative "freedoms" between their countries and the U.S. Invariably, the thoughts prevailed that law dominating citizens in those countries (not U.S.) have greatly enhanced all facets of their lives. They have been sublimely herded into a single-minded group accepting dominance over almost all things which guide their everyday lives.

    In short, controlled, not too much different than the brain-implanted devices in the movie "Invaders from Mars". To me, it's regrettable, not detestable, for little involvement on my part could penetrate the veil surrounding their thinking. In fact, my attempts to secure more openness, more individual involvement, in the forum, resulted in my expulsion therefrom. P.C. at it's very best!

    Frank
     
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    It's because on that forum you only heard the liberals views of Canada. I know many Canadians that think nothing like the ones you are talking about.

    One member always saying "Canada doesn't allow hate speech" You should see some of the stuff that gets on my Facebook feed from some Canadians. They are definitely not Baby Trudeau supporters. He did win their election though but still doesn't mean anything YET.
     
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    How many of you are aware of a little-known, well disguised law signed by President Reagan, involving our National Currency, our "money"? I have not found conclusive proof of it's official title, but it seems to have been begun in Congressional proceedings in 1980, I think it's final form was something like "Monetary Reform Act 1981". Unimportant details. What I recall of it IS important.

    Open any bank account, checking, savings, etc., fine print reads "This institution may, at it's discretion, require a minimum of 30 days to honor any withdrawal request". Huh?? What about MAXIMUM number of days? Why, anyhow? Govt said to prevent "runs" on banks.

    President is granted the power to suspend all banking activity in the United States. Any individual account may be "frozen" at the Feds' discretion.

    Congress may introduce at any time, any new currency as deemed necessary, at any exchange rate it deems advisable. This is the BIG one. They now have the legal "right" to devalue our money at will, thus "stealing" it directly from the citizens. President Roosevelt actually did this, in a different way, by increasing the "value" of gold from $20 per ounce to $35 per ounce. Thus, he devauled the currency by $15 out of every $20, or 75%! In essence, 75% of Americans' money was "stolen". That was possible, because every dollar was "backed" by gold, guaranteed to be payable upon demand.

    Today, no "backing" exists for the phony money. Now, legally, they can manipulate it in any way they want. Ultimately, "One World Money". As I said, the stakes in the game are astronomically high.

    Frank
     
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    Sorry I ruffled your feathers, Chrissy. Of course, there must be plenty of Canadians who see things more realistically, just as there are many sides taken here. See, I could only speak of my experiences within the forum, which were pretty predictable. Unfortunately, I personally know no Canadians. My point was, FWIW, Canada has accepted loss of basic personal values and freedoms, in exchange for personal "safety".

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    You didn't ruffle my feathers, Frank. I'm just saying there are two sides to every story and the truth is somewhere in between.:)

    I still can't imagine a one world power happening, there are too many people and differences in the world for it to even work.

    I looked up Jade Helm and it seems that whatever the exercise was ended in Sept. Nobody took over Texas, etc.
     
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    The one world government was first started with NATO and then moved to the UN. The UN is not elected and appointed by the governments and then they rule over the governments that appointed them. The people that have been appointed have allied to big industries big chemicals and not to any government. They take about the new world government it is already here. This group have their own military that is used to control countries that step out of line like have private banks, want to sell oil with anything except US dollars, have large quantities of drugs like opium, or any country that refuses to let a oil pipeline through their country. They have many sub braches like the WHO that want to control medicine, World Bank who tries to get every country in debit so they can be controlled, the free trade deal that serve to keep everyone on the low end of the pay scale except for the owners.
     
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    Yeah, Facebook doesn't even catch that one.
     
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    Whenever some says, "I'm for free speech but..."
    Or whenever someone says, "I'm in favor of the 2nd Amendment but..."
    Then they are not in favor of these things.

    In a Facebook thread the other day someone said that she was all in favor of free speech except when someone else is offended. Of course, she was offended by some of the answers that she received because she truly believed that she was being entirely reasonable. The truth, of course, is that no one can ever say anything worth listening to that isn't going to offend someone. In fact, I might be offended by people taking up my time and then not saying anything worth listening to. The only possible result from policies being put into place on that sort of reasoning is that someone is going to get to decide what is or is not offensive, and that person is then going to have all the power, whether it is a single person or a voting majority.

    Here is a quote that aptly illustrates what I have just said:

    "Freedom of speech of the individual citizen must be based on the four basic principles of insisting on the socialist road, the dictatorship of the proletariat, the leadership of the party, and Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong thought. The citizen has only the freedom to support these principles and not the freedom to oppose them." -- People's Republic of China prosecutor, during the Wei Jing-sheng case in 1979, in which defendent Wei, a human rights champion, cited the Chinese consitution guaranteeing free speech in his defense. He lost.
     
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    @Ken Anderson : I only wish you had Moderated for that other seniors forum! ;)

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    Okay, this is an old, old thread; but I have something new to add, and this seems like maybe the best place to add it.
    (WARNING: Chrissy, hide your eyes, this thread is in the conspiracy part of the forum)

    I just saw this video on youtube, and I think that this guy might actually have a good point, and something that none of have given any thought to up until now, at least I had not made any connection between the JadeHelm exercise and the devastation in Texas from Hurricane Harvey.
    What this video is suggesting , if possibly true, is horrendous !
    He thinks that the JH exercise back in 2015, which we all thought was a step towards one world government, is being implemented now by weather modification of this tragic hurricane.
    I remember seeing the videos back from hurricane Katrina, of the soldiers going door to door, confiscating people's weapons, and having orders to shoot looters. It looks like they have already told the National Guard in Texas that they should shoot looters if they do not stop when told to, and the part of going house to house , searching for bodies, will probably be happening next, just like it did after Katrina.

     
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    @Yvonne Smith
    How other to restore "law & order" during and after natural catastrophe then to resort to "cattle herding"?

    It seems the atmosphere during such pandemonium lures the previous, and new potential looters out of their shell of fear for retribution; they might not now "get caught". Shooting them imposes rigid incentive upon others considering such activity.

    Consider thousands of previously everyday families displaced from their homes, wondering what, if anything, they may find upon returning. Then they finally go back, and if fortunate find their home again livable, except it has been stripped of those hard-earned things placed earlier. How must they feel?

    Who should they turn to? L.E.? FEMA? Insurance Co.? How bad I feel viewing those images from Houston.....
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    What you are saying is correct, @Frank Sanoica . When there are disasters like this, we do need the government forces to step in and help out. Looters DO need to be stopped.
    I can remember way back when I was little , and the Kootenai River would flood each spring, often putting the little town of Bonners Ferry mostly underwater when the river overflowed its banks.
    They would send in the National Guard, with all of the manpower, and big trucks, and they would haul in sand, and help fill the sand bags that were put along the shore of the river to make the dikes higher and save the town.

    The thing that concerns me here is not that we have government like FEMA and the National Guard, and Coast Guard helping with the devastation from the flooding.
    The question here, (and this is why it was posted under conspiracy and not news) is what caused the disaster in the first place . There is a possibility that this flooding was caused, at least in part, by hot plasma beams shot into the hurricane to make it larger and stronger, as well as to guide it where they wanted it to go.
    We have talked about HAARP weather modification before, and how they can cause earthquakes and hurricanes using the ELF waves.

    Another reason that I question this disaster is because it seems like most of the tragedies that we have here (and sometimes in other countries) seem to always coincide with government or military drills for that same EXACT kind of emergency.
    Even though the Jade Helm exercise was 2 years ago, that does not mean that it was not government preparations for this kind of a scenario, and in fact, they are having another series of drills that also deal with major breakdown of infrastructure, loss of power, and just about all of the other issues happening now in the flood zone. This exercise is called by the acronym of EARTH EX, and it started just before the hurricane came ashore, and goes into September.

     
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