The Greatest Lie Ever!

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    "Here are the definitive arguments..This is a 10 part, 2 hour+ video. You may watch it in parts.

    Take it, or leave it alone, still very interesting material.."

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    Wow, @Joe Riley , you are down one of my favorite rabbit holes ! Since you are investigating, please check out Rob Skiba, he talks about this from the Christian perspective. You will find a LOT of interesting information here, and not just about flat earth.
    Mark Sargent is where I started with this, too, and I follow both Mark and Rob on Youtube; but I think that Rob Skiba is the best. I will post his video about the Chicago skyline expedition.
    Rob's website:
    http://testingtheglobe.com/


     
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    The video that I posted is long, and contains parts or segments of a series. It covers The South Pole, NASA, United Nations, Commercial air flights in the Southern Hemisphere, the GPS System and more. It is the most convincing that I have watched and covers also the entire faked Space program. It started after WW II and people our age have lived our whole life under this lie. It is pretty sobering to think of that. I hope everyone will take time to view it, before they close their mind. The USGS map is from 1000 years ago, by a Persian Scientist named Al-Biruni.
     
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    If you browse through the older threads in the conspiracy section, there are some I have started there about several of these topics, and I think one that shows the faked Red Bull space jump as well. I know there is one about NASA, and also the moon landings being faked, as well as the space program being started by the Nazi scientists who were sneaked into the country with fake documents.
    It really changes your ideas of what is real, once you start to see what is fake.
    It is pretty obvious that the shadow government knows this well-kept secret and the UN map is a good example of that. If they actually believed that Antarctica was a continent, then would have added it onto the map somewhere.
    As a Christian, I believe in the Genesis story of creation, and that the Holy Bible is definitely a flat-earth book. I even have Rob Skiba's webpage on my profile here in the "information" part.
    There are some good facebook groups also; but like everything else, you have to go through the trash looking for the pearls.
     
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    Why are citizens of our Country flying over Oceans without the safety net of the GPS System? The "G" in GPS stands for global. Huge deliberate gaps are found in the Southern Hemisphere only. The GPS System was built by the DOD.

    I believe that the only reason the NASA & the UN were created,was to control the "heavens & earth", keeping the existing dome and firmament a secret from the people. It's like you have lived your whole life in a huge lie.
     
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    What's At The Bottom Of The Deepest Hole On Earth?

    "The sphere model they show us in school shows a crust, mantle, outer core and inner core with a molten middle and layers of various substances going out. The truth is however that no one has ever drilled deeper than 8 miles down! The Russian drilling operation that tried spend decades getting down that far, then almost another decade trying to go a few hundred more feet before deciding the rock was too hard to continue":
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    "So in reality, no one has ever drilled past the crust, let alone the mantle, outer or inner core they show us in text books, they’re just making it up completely! There is clearly molten lava in/under volcanic mountains, but how much there is under the Earth or exactly where remains unknown". ~ Eric Dubay

    A second video,with some biblical perspective.
     
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    Is this about the Earth actually being flat? I will have to take a look, although it's hard to believe we could be so deceived, but as I say that, the word "easily" comes to mind since I think people "choose" what they want to believe, many times, for their own comfort, what comfortable for them to believe. If that's what this is about, I will take a view. It's will be later as I have errands, but thanks @Joe Riley and @Yvonne Smith.

    The older I get, the less I care what anyone else thinks about "what I believe" or "what I find right or wrong" and worth looking into;) So many say they are open-minded, but their not.
     
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    This is one of those things that we learn from the time we are little. We grow up and start school with globes in the home/schoolroom; so we never question whether something of this magnitude could be a deception.
    I first looked because I thought that Mark Sargent must be a complete idiot; but then I listened to what he was actually saying, fell down the rabbit hole, and have been there ever since.
    I am both amazed and hugely elated that @Joe Riley has started looking into this , too. I am not alone in the world anymore......

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    Look at the difference in the size and shape (and even the colors) of the continents from one "photo" to the next. They are composite paintings, not photographs.
     
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    The one thing I think of, is different distance in photos, and also, weather conditions?? I'm still intrigued. Wonder about the other planets and solar system, Universe then. ttys, gotta head out for awhile. The bible says something about this, and I believe many christians believe that the Earth is actually flat. I'm undecided, but yes, I lean towards it being round as I was taught. I'm still open to learning more about this;)
     
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    I always wondered why they couldn't turn the Hubble and look at the earth, and show it as it is, If our earth is a closed system with a dome or firmament over us, and we sit in the center of the "4 corners", with the "universe" only a hologram, then we could never need or have a real "space program". Also NASA has never released films of the earth from space, showing it spinning. Never. All photos of earth are composite, "photo-shopped" ones.
     
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    And this also leads to the realization that there were NO aliens from outer space here----ever---not now or in the past; and if we are told in the future that there is some kind of UFO's or space invasion (as was brought out in one of the threads just before the elections here), then that is a trick, and probably done with holograms, too.
    The Mars Rover is in Greenland, , we have no way to control a satellite that is way out by Jupiter (if Jupiter were actually out there), and what we call a planet, the Bible calls "wandering stars".

    Check out these pictures of the Red Bull space jump, and you can see that there are at least two different versions of the capsule that he is supposed to be jumping out of. If you do a search on this, the antennas are different in some pictures, and the ground below is totally different in some backgrounds.
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    Antarctica From Space -FAKE
     
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    Sorry to have a difference of opinion but I rely on experience and people who have nothing to gain by telling their experiences. I sailed for six years of my retirement have see proof of the curvature of the earth. While sailing into Cuba I seen the mountains hours before I saw the shore line which was some 20 -25- miles closer. Older sailing ships had the crow’s nest so they could see over the horizon and some of them believe in the flat earth theory too. A good friend raced a sailboat in around the world races they travel the southern route which by the flat earth theory would be such a long race but it was not so all the people who were in that race must have all lied as well. You can find discrepancies in photos of course but that is not proof of a flat earth.

    If the lat earth theory is true who built it and for what reason?
     
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    In discussing misinformation on the internet, I have told people that you can find a source to prove anything you want if you look long enough. I have said you can prove the earth is flat as an example. I had no idea that such site really existed.
     
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    @Martin Alonzo & @Shirley Martin Thanks for your posts, I will try to respond to you, please bear with me.;)

    The topic of this thread is about the Lie of the round earth. Its purpose was to hide God.
    The idea of a flat earth is not mine to defend. I feel inadequate and uncomfortable to try to do so. I placed it in the history & geography section because it effects the entire world view.

    As I understand it, it goes back to God’s Creation of the World, as recorded in Genesis. It used the term heavens and firmaments. The firmaments were solid barriers separating the heavens.

    The first firmament was the earth’s crust, with Hades beneath it, and the land, oceans and atmosphere above it.

    The second firmament separated the atmosphere from outer space.

    The third firmament separated outer space from Heaven.

    The Ancients believed in the flat earth model, on a square base with four corners, supported by pillars.

    The world was at the center of the universe and was stationary, not spinning.

    When Admiral Byrd led a military expedition to the Antarctica, they discovered the barrier around the ice wall. NASA was formed to control what we see from space.

    The idea of the flat earth belief that we read of today, is only saying this is still the true model, and that governments have conspired to keep this from the people, and hide the proof that the Bible is correct. I would say that this was Satan's plan.

    The video that I posted gives facts and information that, together, support this, in my opinion. I understand it may be hard to wrap your head around, but I ask you to at least watch the video before you leap to the “flat earth” knee jerk reaction.

    We deserve to know the truth.

     
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    "This is a video footage of the 60's and 70's showing NASA's high altitude test. could you imagine that still at that altitude the earth is still flat. watch this clip and see overwhelming proof of the flat earth".
     
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    @Shirley Martin
    The OP is about the "Biggest Lie". In my book, one lie cannot be any worse, or bigger, or smaller, than another, as ALL lies are wrong, IMO.
    Frank
     
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    I watched a lot of the video you put up @Joe Riley but with my slow internet I was not able to watch all of it. So since I did not come across the explanation of how this "lie" was hiding God I would like to know if you could explain this to me.

    I have no problem with whether or not the earth is round, square, rectangle, or flat. Because this changes nothing about who God is to me...or the fact that God sent His one and only Son Jesus Chris to earth (no matter what it's shape) to bring salvation to all those who believed and received Him.

    It does not matter to me what shape the earth is or if science, etc. wants to lie about this. It matters to me that science, etc. says God didn't creat earth and us. That's the biggest lie to me.

    So how does the earth being one shape or another hide God?
     
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    Come on. I know a con job when I see one. Those are beech balls. I saw some in the swimming pool last summer.
     
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    How is it possible if the world was flat you could not see England from New York even in a high building. I was just at the beach in Puerto Plata yesterday and looked out and did not see Turks and Cacaos which is only fifty miles away even with binoculars. Even the guy that seen Chicago only seen the tops of the buildings and not the shore. I never could see on the clearest day across lake Erie or any of the other great lakes.
     
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    @Martin Alonzo
    Years back, one or two days out of a year, the air was clear and clean enough to see the eastern shoreline of Lake Michigan from the observation decks of Chicago's tallest buildings. For years, that honor was held by the Chicago Board of Trade Building. Not making this up!
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    There is more to this answer than can easily be put into a forum post. Just like trying to answer a question of why is believing in God important, there is too much to say that can't just be put into a few sentences. However, I can briefly tell you what i think about this and why it is important to me, @Babs Hunt .
    For most of my life, I have tried to reconcile what the Bible said about the creation of the earth with what science teaches us, and just could not make the puzzle pieces fit. I think this is why atheist scientists have tried to make the Bible story of creation sound like it was impossible. If the world was not created like the Bible says it was, and the Bible is lying, then why would someone believe that the rest of the Bible is true ?
    The Bible points us to God, and gives us a step by step account of the creation of the earth. Science has done their best to prove that there is NO god, and that the earth just came into being with the "Big Bang" type of event, and that man was not created in God's image, but slowly developed from lower life forms over eons of time.

    Whether the earth is round or flat certainly does not change most things for the person who has a relationship with Christ; but it does make a big difference for the many people who believe that God does not exist, and think that science proves that he does not exist.
    If the earth is indeed flat, as the Bible says it is, then it follows that it was created like the Bible tells us, and that the Bible is also true about everything else we read in there.
    The sun, moon, and stars were created on the third day (after plants and trees were already blooming and making fruit on the earth), and not millions of years before the earth came into existence. The Bible says that the stars are lights, and there is no Biblical evidence that they are other worlds or other suns like we are taught in school. How could the earth be revolving around a sun before there even was a sun created ? Obviously, it could not; but this is what we have been told.
    Mankind did not evolve from primitive creatures, but was a creation of God (and in the image of God) if the Bible is true. If the Bible is true, then even the atheist has lost all of their reasons for not believing in God.

    Also, and this is just me; but learning that earth is indeed the center of the creation of God, and mankind is the most beloved of his creations has made me feel a lot more loved by God, and special. I no longer believe that earth is just some speck in an endless cosmos; but it is a special place and humans are created in the image of God, and for his purpose and enjoyment.
    There is so much deception in this world, and the Bible talks about the Great Deception in the last days. What could be more of a deception than convincing people that God does not even exist, and the world got here by accidental evolution ? The globe earth furthers that deception, while the Biblical earth shows that it was truly created by God and that he does exist.

    This whole earth-globe deception is not something that will be understood by most people, and the Bible does say that even some of the Elect will be fooled by this great deception, and will simply follow the multitudes who do not believe in God.
    Unless a person has an open mind and is willing to spend time looking at the possibility, they will not even consider it; so I am sure that most people who read this thread are not going to actually delve into the topic to even try and see if it could be true. But, for those who do have a questing mind, here is some good information to check out.
    http://www.testingtheglobe.com/conclusions.html
     
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    @Yvonne Smith I appreciate your explanation on the question I asked Joe Riley.

    Since I have never believed anything Science said when it comes to trying to prove God doesn't exist or that He didn't create everything I basically tune out anything Science has to say to this effect. My mind is steadfast on the existance of God and that He is the Creator of everything and whether He created the earth to be round, flat, rectangle, or any other shape does not matter to me at all...only who made it matters to me.

    As far as I'm concerned if "the powers that be" wanted to waste all that time and money trying to convince us God doesn't exist...that only means to me...that they know He does!
     
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