Suicides

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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    Im barely getting over Kate Spade this week who hung herself at age 55 with a scarf on a doorknob. Someone who seems to have had it all, plus a 13 year old daughter.

    Today I wake up to read one of my favorite chefs/authors Anthony Bourdain also hung himself, age 61. He also had a young daughter, 11.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5821039/Anthony-Bourdain-died-suicide-age-61.html

    I just don't understand it....were their lives so terrible that suicide was the only option?

    There are lots of depressed people who barely have enough money to eat and yet they don't kill themselves...

    What would make someone like Kate Spade and Anythony Bourdain do it. I know he had alcohol and drug issues in the past but thought he got clean...maybe a relapse??
     
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    I didn't watch his show, but did see the ads for it. Don't know what happened in his life to make him do this, but there are too many people today that are committing suicide for one reason or another. There is also "suicide by cop". Criminals that say "I'm absolutely not going back to jail and look right at the officers and say "kill me", and with a gun pointed at the officers, that's exactly what happens.

    Really wish there was a way to curb this horror to family and friends of suicide.
     
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    One never knows for sure what prompts a suicide. Bourdain's show was the only tv show I watched regularly other than some PBS nature shows. Admittedly, I don't watch much television but his was my favorite. I was shocked and saddened to hear this.
     
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    I just don't get it especially when there are so many people with cancer death sentences fighting for their lives....how bad are your demons that you can't go on? Guess you have to be there to understand it.

    He had the money to get help or go off for awhile by himself if things were too much.

    Or if he relapsed he could have gone to the best rehab or if he didn't want rehab he had the money to get the drugs he needed or wanted.

    He was working, seemed happy, had a young daughter I'm sure he adored...didn't he think about her?

    Seems people are killing themselves over relationships gone bad. Supposedly Kate Spade was separated from her husband and Anthony wasn't with his GF anymore but lots of people split and divorce and even lose spouses and don't kill themselves.
     
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    I mdersatnd physical pain and can understand a terminal cancer patient wanting to end their life but I guess I just don't understand mental pain that well.

    I get depressed but I guess it's nothing to what others may be going thru.

    I would never think of suicide. I love life ...even though mine is boring.

    I did know someone long ago that killed themselves.


    So sad, it was an 18 year old boy I babysat when he was younger. He had two older brothers. I went to the funeral...as you can imagine the parents and grandparents and everyone was devasted.

    He did it bacause his girlfriend left him....carbon monoxide poisoning sitting in a closed garage with the car running.

    A beautiful boy, gone for really nothing...very tragic for him at that time but I'm sure a few months later he would have been fine.

    Senseless tragedy.
     
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    I believe when some people commit suicide it is because they have lost all hope in living anymore.
     
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    Apparently, to this man, things were not as they seemed.
     
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    As Chrissy mentioned, the desperately poor and truly devastated seldom commit suicide. Those people who do are often those who see no reason to continue living or those who fear the loss of their lifestyle or "honor".
     
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    I had never heard of him (the celebrity chef) until I heard about his suicide on the radio this morning. This wouldn't be the case with him but kids and teenagers often kill themselves because everything is of such dire importance to them when they are young. Girlfriends or boyfriends whose names they wouldn't even remember twenty years later, if not for the suicide, are people who they cannot live without. Bullying is also named as a cause of suicide and, having once been a kid, I know that happens as I have been on both sides of that, and kids can be very cruel. That's a part of the narcissism of youth, I think. However, there were sometimes avenues of escape from bullying in past generations, such as fighting back. Not everyone was capable of effectively fighting back, of course, but today, good kids are raised to believe that they cannot fight back, while the bad kids are often far worse than they were a few generations ago, and they don't care. Adults may intervene but, because they generally intervene in ways that only make things worse for the kid being bullied, that doesn't help very much.

    I know this doesn't speak to the most recent suicide of the celebrity chef, whose name I won't remember anymore in death than I did in life, but it does speak to the larger issues of suicide.
     
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    I'm surprised you never heard of him, I can understand you not being a fan but I thought most knew him.

    I first heard of him when he was on The Travel Channel with his show about food in different countries.

    Ive always been kind of a "foodie" though.

    Guess you never heard of Kate Spade either or are you going to surprise me and say yes you have. :)
     
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    No, I had never heard of Kate Spade either. I don't travel in those channels, I guess. Krauthammer, I am familiar with.
     
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    That one I understand, especially being a man.
     
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    Thank you for starting this thread @Chrissy Cross

    I was pretty shocked to hear of this when I turned on CNN this morning. I too made the connection of two well known people with good money gone in a matter of a couple of days both with daughters of similar age. I feel so bad for those children.

    It's hard to know what goes through someone's mind. I sure get down at times. I don't know if this is true clinical depression or what. You have to wish there was someone they could have called.
     
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    I had heard of Kate..Anthony...had never heard of. Still suicide is very disturbing. Once when I was a very young mother of two raising them on my own...I breifley thought about ending it all. My oldest daughter tried to end her life once on a Mothers Day of all things....overdose...but she pulled thru. I don't think suicide is always planned..but more of a spare of the moment type thing.Often times it leaves those left behind with un deserbing guilt. It's a selfish way to go sometimes...but does show how deep the pain they bore.
     
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    Sorry to read that about your daughter, @Gloria Mitchell ...so happy she pulled through and hope she's in a better state of mind. Sometimes depression lasts forever and sometimes it's just over the loss of a girlfriend as in the boy I knew.

    You're right about last minute though usually...unlike Kate Spade, most don't leave notes.. I wish the did so yo understand the why.

    Sometimes it's obvious but most times they hid their dark side and everyone thinks they were happy.
     
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    True or false? So far, I haven't found anything arguing that it is fake, and there is a Twitter account of it.
     
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    @Don Alaska
    My father in law, born in Poland, removed from his home by Nazi Troops and taken to work the fields in Germany in his late teens, same for his fiance, they married after the war ended, having 3 children, the first-born of which, a daughter born in 1947, I married after the family came to the U.S. in 1963. He had the best living here of his entire life, had a car the very first time, both had good jobs, security, good health, should have had utter happiness. On Oct. 22, 1967 he took my wife's mother's life, then his own. Extremely difficult to understand the reasoning, or lack of it.
    Frank
     
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    Well, I feel better that I am not the only one who had never heard of this guy before. But I never ever watch cooking shows , or CNN, and seldom even watch television in any case; so I guess there is no reason that I would have heard of him before.
    If he was on the Clinton’s bad list, then maybe things were not as straightforward as they seem to be. He would not be the first of the Clinton associates who had unexpectedly committed suicide.
     
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    That is truly tragic.
     
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    @Ken Anderson
    Unfortunate part was, he had threatened to kill himself for years. Family shrugged it off, until then. Pre-meditated? Cleaning out their apartment we discovered things which astounded my wife, then just 20. He had a brother in Poland, whom none of the kids had ever met, maybe not his wife either. Receipts were found for household things he had shipped to the brother, a typewriter, for example. Obsessed with keys, his maintenance shop in the hospital where he worked had a locked cabinet on the wall. A key he had on his person when he died unlocked that cabinet, which had dozens upon dozens of keys hanging in it! I recognized one for a safe-deposit box. Under court order we opened it. It contained their two employer-provided life insurance policies and some more keys!

    My Dad remarked, in Czech: "Tichay Blazen", (quiet madman).
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    There are no definitive answers for the questions of why someone would end their life. I know nothing of K. Spade but the more I read, she was very focused and the same can be said for Bourdain and R. Williams. But, being focused, smart and determined doesn’t give any insight of what creates a suicidal person and I write “creates” because the human brain is geared for life and not death.

    There is only one link between that of the suicidal person and one who chooses life that I can readily think of and it goes back to diet, Gaba (a major neurotransmitter) and the frontopolar cortex of the brain.
    Scientific American reported that a Canadian study group found that Gaba wasn’t as apparent in the cortex of suicidal people as it is in their counterparts. In short, GABA is the “slow down and think” neurotransmitter and helps level the playing field and without it, the choice of yes or no to suicide no longer becomes a choice but a command toward the negative result.

    But, Anthony Bourdain was a chef and had great access to a fantastic diet! Yeah, but I have never yet met a chef who really ate healthy much less someone who is constantly on the go like Spade or Williams.
    Just a simple act of eating those foods rich in l-glutamine, a GABA building block, might have been all it would have taken to keep whatever depressive state those people were in, at bay and allow them time to seek some help with the roots of their problem.
     
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    Fake news, I was waiting to see who would post this stuff....I saw it reported as fake news yesterday.

    He was a liberal but not that political...definitely not a threat to anyone. Hillary or Trump. He did say he'd like to poison Trump but I doubt Trump had him killed.

    If you want to talk about conspiracies start a thread in that board....

    Also, if you think everything that happens is a conspiracy I need a break again.

    I just can't function or live my life with that mindset....sorry. I need to wake up and stay in a good mood.
     
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    I'm sorry for the outburst and I wish I would have phrased it differently but

    My reaction is still the same...I need a break.

    I actually enjoyed a conspiracy theory or two in my youth but now it's out of control and everything is a conspiracy

    That way of thinking depresses and upsets me so I have to leave for awhile.
     
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    It was on-topic, and not presented as true. I asked the question and, if it pains you to answer it, you needn't have bothered. If there were a discussion of it, I would have moved it to a thread, but I am not going to start a new thread for a question that, without the ranting, could be answered "yes" or "no."
     
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