Re-greening The Planet

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  1. Martin Alonzo

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    RE-GREENING the Planet with Global Warming and CO2
     
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    I watched 'some' of the video Martin and all I know is the weather has got hotter (for us)
    We also suffer humidity in recent years, which of course makes the temperature unbearable
    This issue just doesn't make sense to me, each side claiming their response is money motivated
    One thing I'm sure of, the planet is on a collision course and no one will be around to say
    I told you so
     
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    Please don't say to me about 'freak' weather that we have had for hundreds of years
    because it is 'freak weather' something out of the norm, it comes it goes
    What is happening now is continuous
    We had smog in London, which killed many, cutting down on coal emissions cleared us of the problem.
    Now we have more planes than ever, more cars than ever, fridges - freezers etc etc, which has surpassed the
    coal addition.
    Is giving the coal merchants what 'they' want worth the risk to the planet ?
    Jobs are plentiful away from the coal anyway, its just a matter of diversifying into another field that helps
    with climate control and at the same time providing jobs
     
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    @Patsy Faye
    You are saying then, as I perceive your post's wording, that the ongoing diatribe both for and against "Global Warming" is certainly less than a global "scam", and perhaps more realistically a certainty?
    Frank
     
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    Thanks for your reply Frank
    I'm just trying my best to understand what's going on
    It just makes sense to me that 'all' the pollution we create, 'must' cause problems
    Growing up, the main contributor was coal and it did cause massive problems to air quality
    Anyone with breathing difficulties were sent to special hospitals 'in the country' where the air was fresh
    Now there would be nowhere to send them, finding 'fresh' air is like finding a needle in a haystack
    What is the problem, cutting down on emissions ? What is wrong with that !

    @Frank Sanoica
     
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    It is obvious that anything we do has an effect on the world. Science has talked about the butterfly effect that the beat of a butterfly in Africa can be the source of a tornado in Brazil. Having said that are we the biggest cause of global warming if so we are God because the ice poles on Mars are also melting. I thing the sun has a bigger effect on our weather than we do. This is a great opportunity to bring in another tax and it would be good if they could do something to help the ice caps on Mars. They know once a tax has been put in place it is permanent. The Canadian income taxes raised for the first world war has not been paid off yet. Global warming is nothing more than a tax on weather.
     
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    I don't disagree with what you say Martin, but I don't think we should be complacent either
    Its obvious also that all pollutants will rise up into the atmosphere
    I think I gave a fair reason above for my thinking on this, I'm merely a concerned citizen who is 'genuinely'
    puzzled
    BTW - why would it be good to help the ice caps on Mars ? :confused:
     
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    It would show we can do something about what is happening. because Mars is having the same problem as we are. They [1%] will not let us have free energy which will solve what we are doing they just want you to pay more taxes
     
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    Oh, you can't have free energy Martin, what about the coal merchants, electricity and gas merchants ...........
    I guess the little people will just have to plough on with their solar panels :rolleyes:
     
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    Where do you get your solar panels free ?? Making solar panels causing more environmental damage than Niagara falls power station
     
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    Really Martin - I'm even more confused
    Just another money making scheme then
    Well I'm not convinced - yet, I guess I'll just have to watch from above when my time comes and hope for the best
    I also guess I'm not clued up enough, never heard of these ice caps, wasn't big news here
    I recall seeing channels and they said there must have been water on Mars, maybe I'm just more
    interested in this planet
    Anyway, thanks for the explanation of where you're coming from :)
     
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    Patsy it is good we are all concerned and if paying taxes could solve it I would be right with you. they have another set of taxes for the next ice age too
     
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    I think that there are two issues here that are being combined together as if they were all just one issue. One issue is whether or not people/humanity is causing warming of the whole earth, and the other issue is whether pollution is affecting the earth.
    I believe that the two can interact; but that there is essentially two issues happening here.
    Obviously, pollution effects the whole earth, some places more than others, and the places most affected are the higher-population areas of the world.
    There is no doubt that people are the basic cause of this pollution, and we do all need to care about what we do and how it can be made to be less polluting. Our air is getting polluted, and so is the water, and most of it is from factories or somekind of industry pollution of the environment.
    Whether the earth is getting warmer or going into a colder era right now is also something that people cannot agree on, and each view has their justifications for believing the way that they do.
    Since the earth has been going through these warming and cooling cycles for thousands of years, it is definitely not something new that is caused by our human pollution.
    It is simply that the two factors are merging right now. We are polluting more than ever before, and now the sun and earth are changing their cycle, not because of that pollution, but because that is how things work.
    The sun goes through these periods of cooling down, and then warms back up, and it certainly is not because of vehicle exhaust fumes or coal mining here on this earth.
     
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    Fresno has probably the worst air in CA. Mainly because of its geographical location. We're like a bowl surrounded by mountains. We get all of LAs bad air falling on us, plus we're huge in agriculture...some things we can't do anything about like our location but we have strict laws on emissions and no wood burning fireplaces allowed for most of the year.

    We probably also have the most homes with solar panels...there's about 5 on my block alone. We also have the highest rates for gas and electric.

    Since so many homes have solar, PG&E has raised the price of gas so as not to lose income. Many people were complaining about this in my neighborhood watch app.

    They paid a lot to get solar and their bills aren't any lower...

    Also, although Fresno is the ideal place for solar since we average more than 300 days of sunshine a year, there are many places that hardly get any.
     
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    Do they really - I don't know Martin its hard to figure anything out with all this fake news going around :rolleyes:
    I do value your opinion and for giving it. I don't presume for a minute your mind is 'fixed' on anything, you seem willing to observe
    listen and come to a conclusion that may well change - a bit like meself :)
     
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