N A S A Was Started By The Nazis!

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    The well-known and much venerated space and rocket development company was actually started by Nazi scientists who were brought over here right after World War Two. These German engineers were used extensively to develop our own space and rocket program, and this is where the organization NASA started from.
    These were not just scientists and engineers; but actually were German's who were high up in the Nazi hierarchy, and who participated in the torture and killing of so many prisoners during the war.
    They were brought over here (against our President's orders) and then put in charge of developing our space program through NASA.
    The very thought that this is the kind of people who give us the information about the things that NASA has done, are part of what makes me doubt much of what they tell us nowdays.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4443934.stm
     
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    I remember Werner Von Braun. he was no longer a Nazi when he came and started working for the US. He was very handsome and my mom's girlfriends all giggled about him.

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    He was a very smart man and as Ruby said no longer a Nazi when he worked here. I don't see a connection with him and what NASA is today.
     
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    I do agree Wernher Von Beaun looks were worth giggling over. He was a very handsome man, but unless he quit the Nazi's before the war was over, he wasn't an ex-Nazi.

    Our nation acquired many scientific secrets from the Germans and the Japanese during and after the war.

    I really liked the article. Being German or even half German in the 40's and 50's wasn't very popular when I was growing up, so I'm happy and proud to see evidence that Germans played such large parts in developing our NASA program.
     
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    Didn't read the article @Chrissy ? Where is your proof that they were not Nazi's ?
    If you are going to discuss conspiracies, at least bring some evidence, theories, or something besides just standing there and saying it is not true.
     
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    Where did I say they weren't Nazi's in Germany? I said after they came to the US.

    I had brother in laws that joined the communist party in Hungary, Yvonne. Were they really communists....No, but if they wanted to keep their jobs they had better join.
     
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    Werner Von Braun, as well as many of the other Nazi's that were brought over here after the war were NOT supposed to have been allowed into the United States at all; due to their high affiliation with the Nazi Party, and the horrendous experiments that they had done on the prisoners in Germany during the war.
    They were still considered dangerous to the UNited States when they were brought here.

    Of course you didn't say that they were not Nazi's in Germany, @Chrissy Page , you are twisting the subject. I said that they were Nazi's when they came here and they were put in charge of our space program when they were Nazi's.
    If you don't believe that, I would like to hear your reasoning for your viewpoint.
     
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    It doesn't matter if Nazi or not.

    Everybody knew who they were, it was no secret. No conspiracy there.
     
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    1. Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun was a German, later an American, aerospace engineer and space architect credited with inventing the V-2 rocket for Nazi Germany and the Saturn V for the United States.Wikipedia

      Died: June 16, 1977, Alexandria, VA
      Children: Margrit C├ęcile von Braun, Iris Careen von Braun, Peter Constantine von Braun
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    It's not even wether they were ex nazis or not but what I was saying is what does it have to do with NASA now? That was my point Yvonne.
     
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    It does matter, because the Nazi's were responsible for some horrible war crimes ! They tortured and killed people. Innocent people. Even the German people themselves were terrified of being killed.
    Like Ina (and probably others here) I am partially of German descent, and this is no issue with German people, only with what the Nazi's did.
    These people were brought over here secretly, and against our President's direct orders. They were brought in by falsifying their passports and information.
    They didn't stop being Nazi's, or give up their beliefs, they just came here under cover and protection from the part of the military that wanted to use them against the Russians and to start our space program.
     
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    Yes, and what does that have to do with NASA now, Yvonne. I keep asking you that and you're not answering.

    Yes, they did some awful things. Pretty sure we did some in Iraq and Afghanistan. Innocent people killed. War is ugly no matter where.

    We got to use their intelligence, that wasn't bad for us....
     
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    I know what the Nazis did.

    If the gov tried to sneak them in the sneak didn't work. Everyone knew. I guess we could say an attempted conspiracy. That was what, 60 years ago? What does it have do with today's NASA?
     
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    I guess that it does not bother you that NASA was started by a group of high-ranking Nazi's. It bothers me.
    The whole organization was started on a false premise, and by evil people who were given false papers and smuggled into our country. They should have been tried for war crimes, not given the reins to start one of the largest and most well-funded government organizations.

    What does it matter now, you ask, @Chrissy Page ?
    Apparently, it doesn't matter to most people, and certainly not to you.
    To me, it matters because it was started by people who hated this country, and were some of the world's worst killers of innocent people who they had in concentration camps.

    Even your precious Wikipedia talks about them being sneaked in here and the president didn't know about for months afterwards because the papers were all forged.
    So, first you tell me that it wasn't true, and now you say that it doesn't matter anyway, is that correct ?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
     
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    My point is what does it have to do with NASA now, Yvonne? Should we get rid of NASA, Airplanes with contrails, science, doctors and on and on?

    If it makes you happy I'll say he was a Nazi and he was with NASA 60-70 yrs ago. What does that have to do with NASA now??

    You won't answer my question, Yvonne. Bye, I'm out of here.
     
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    Maybe some of America didn't understand that conspiracies were happening just after the war, but that didn't mean that America didn't try to hide many facts concerning the scientist we smuggled into this country. Just because it didn't work as planned, didn't mean it didn't happen.

    I found many articles about the secrecy of bring these war criminals into this country. Here are two links concerning this issue.

    http://nypost.com/2014/02/01/behind-the-secret-plan-to-smuggle-nazi-scientists-to-america/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html?_r=0

    We did the same with the Japanses, but we didn't seem to see them in as bad a way as we did the Germans.
     
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    I have watched pretty much every documentary available in English, and many of the German documentaries about Germany during the Nazi era, including some about Wernher von Braun and my understanding is that, while he may not have been a Nazi in the sense that he shared Hitler's hatred for the Jewish people and other parts of the Nazi agenda, he was perfectly willing and eager to participate in it so long as he had the funding for the science that he was interested in. I would say that he was an amoral man, not necessarily immoral because morality didn't figure into any of it for him. His interest was in the science, and if millions of people needed to die in order for him to be able to pursue his interests, he was okay with that, as he was okay with the use of Jewish slave labor.

    He wasn't alone, however. He wasn't even the only von Braun, as his brother Magnus von Braun also came to the United States. Following World War II, the United States and Russia competed in the recruitment of German scientists; to some extent, perhaps England as well. More than 1,500 Nazi scientists, engineers and technicians were recruited by the United States. The operation was known as Operation Paperclip, and it included a public relations campaign to sanitize or whitewash the pasts of the more notable of them. Former Nazi scientists were key parts of the space programs developed by both the United States and Russia.

    Of course, it doesn't necessarily follow that NASA is an evil agency.
     
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    I actually DID answer your question , @Chrissy Page , maybe you just missed reading it in my post ?
    I am not trying to say that you have to agree with me, I am just trying to have an actual discussion about the topic with you.
    I say what I think and why I think that, and you say what you think and why you think it. That is how a discussion works, even if we never come to an agreement on the topic, we both present our reasons for believing what we do.

    This area is specifically for discussion of conspiracies, and anyone who is not interested in discussing them can just bypass the whole area.
    That is what I do with the topics that do not interest me.
    So if you are in this thread, then I am assuming that you have a viewpoint about the topic, and not here just to say that conspiracies don't exist, or whatever.

    In this case, I chose an actual documented part of history, and you still said that it was not so, in spite of the information that I linked, and which you obviously, did not read.
     
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    Yvonne, have I misread? Are you saying that only people who believe one of your conspiracies is, or was actual, are welcome to post in those threads?
     
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    That is exactly what I did NOT say, @Ruby Begonia . I said that no one has to agree, or even believe in any of the conspiracies here.
    It is simply a place to discuss them, and present our viewpoint. One person starts the thread, and the other people who have an opinion about the thread, then say WHY they do or do not believe the conspiracy could have happened.
    To just post on the thread and assert that something is not true, is not a discussion, and does not lead to a discussion.
     
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    Noted.
     
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    I would like to present the manner in which @Ken Anderson presented his particular ideas concerning the topic at hand. He came in acknowledging that he had READ the information made available and then wrote his findings.
    It's called transferring information or rather "conversation" with the idea that someone else might find the offerings interesting enough to study up also and either agree or disagree in an intelligent and amiable way. Fireside learning so to speak.

    The topic has to do with Von Braun and fellow scientists who were allowed to come to the United States and do what they did for the German SS sans the human slavery etc. I looked up the link that was provided and found other information as well concerning the subject and have found no fault in the initial piece.
    After looking at some of the other posts I wonder if some of the posters are truly interested in the subject matter because I see little reference or evidence provided in order for a proper rebuttal to come to light albeit most have offered up opinion rather than facts. I like to learn and I would like to learn in this forum as well as other places of reference. But, in order to properly learn, one must have some meat to consume rather than mashed taters.

    It is true what Ken said in his last sentence because the end result is not that NASA is an evil agency because of it's beginnings, but it is interesting to find out that it's beginning were more sanctioned toward the Nazi Sauerkraut and Sausage rather than American Apple Pie.
     
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    I have read the material. It seems all this did occur and eventually was little more than an open secret. I think it was important to the USA to get these minds and technology for our purposes. The USSR did the same. It was the beginning of "the Cold War".

    Yes, they had been Nazis, but their real loyalty was to their technology. I feel it was smart to bring them here. We have the results today..along with many other bright minds in the years since. I don't see it as a sinister plot or conspiracy.
     
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    If we hadn't, the Soviet Union would have dominated the space program. That doesn't make Wernher von Braun a good guy however, and I'm sure he would have just as happily worked for the Soviets. It was a conspiracy, however. While the facts are fairly well known now, that was not the case at the time. It was very much against both U.S. and international laws that we had just agreed to in the Potsdam and Yalta agreements.

    There are real conspiracies, and I strongly suspect that there are far more of them than we'd like to believe, and that we are seldom told the truth about anything. That doesn't mean that the theories are always correct, but that it is not necessarily accurate to always add the word "theory" after the word "conspiracy."
     
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    I agree..I'm sure our Intelligence knew all this.
     
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    I agree he wasn't a good guy..our government used his intelligence for our purposes..I agree it was a covert operation at the time...and I also agree it was a conspiracy. It's actually just history more than a "Conspiracy Theory".,,so actually it's probably in the wrong place.

    I would also agree there have been conspiracies by governments and such.. I think the inference that today's NASA is run by Nazis is a rather misleading premise...that's like an Enquirer headline that sensationalizes the facts to sell papers.
     
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