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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    I too have lived a life I am proud of but for different reasons maybe, but if there is a God, I believe I too will be saved. Though "saved" isn't a word that I would use.
     
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    Believe it or not, George Carlin said something very very similar not long before he died. I found it extremely refreshing that someone who was so down on everything nearing an established belief for most of his career would suddenly get on board and vocalize his "new" thought pattern to the entire public.
    Great answer Ken!
     
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  3. Chrissy Cross

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    I don't want anyone's belief to go away if that's what you believe. I'm just saying I'm not sure if your belief is right, or anybody's
    For that matter.
    You're basing it on information that has been modified over time. You can't even be sure it won't change down the road.

    Read this and tell me things aren't changed to suit the times.

    http://www.cuf.org/2013/01/what-does-consubstantial-mean-and-why-is-it-in-our-creed/

    These changes have been made to the Nicene Creed.

    There shouldn't be changes made in something that was supposedly true from the beginning. The word of God has been changed and manipulated to fit the times.
     
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  4. Chrissy Cross

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    I also don't understand why you would believe that your religion is the way to heaven or salvation. What made you decide that is was truer than other faiths?

    The Catholic Church is older than most of these new Christian religions that have sprung up over the years and this is what you should believe if you want life everlasting. The newer version of the apostles creed.

    I believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.

    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the Only Begotten Son of God,
    born of the Father before all ages.
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
    through him all things were made.
    For us men and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,

    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
    and became man.

    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
    he suffered death and was buried,
    and rose again on the third day
    in accordance with the Scriptures.
    He ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead
    and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
    I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
    and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
    and the life of the world to come. Amen


    This to me and all Catholics is the road to salvation. I'm not a devout catholic anymore but I can't understand why

    Other religions don't see this as the right way and if majority rules...the majority of Christians are Catholic.

    There's plenty wrong in the Catholic Church also and I tend to believe that religion is man made, mainly because of all these inconsistencies in religions and mostly because of science.

    All I want to do is die peacefully in my sleep, doesn't really matter to me if there s life everlasting or just nothing, the way it was before I was born.

    I just hope reincarnation is not an option....my least favorite belief. I don't want to come back as anything or anyone else....I'm done here. :) this was a good life and my next life might not be so great.
     
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  5. Sheldon Scott

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    Good post Chrissy. I question why Christians keep saying there is only one god. . For those of you who believe the bible you should know the bible clearly speaks of many gods. That is the reason the god of the Jews forbade them from worshiping other gods. Maybe other gods have their own heaven for non Jews.
     
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    The Original bible was a book of history and laws to somehow explain things with the limited knowledge man had at the time. It's been translated and revised so many times, that's its hard to believe what the final versions are.

    It's still changing to keep the followers from jumping ship. Religion today is a business, a pretty profitable one too.

    I'm not knocking religion, as I've said before, I think it's a good basic guide for some morals to teach children. Churches can serve a purpose in most communities, they do help people or should anyway.
     
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  7. Ken Anderson

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    That's not a problem for me because I don't ascribe to man-made creeds. Not to say that I necessarily disagree with the conclusions, but creeds are largely attempts by man to dictate a specific interpretation of the Scriptures in cases where the Scriptures are not otherwise clear. While I believe in the Trinity, the precise nature of God is not clearly defined by Scripture so I don't necessarily believe in attempts that men have made to define that which is undefined by Scripture. The Trinity is not clearly mentioned in the Bible, although several of the Scriptures point to such an understanding.

    The Scripture that most clearly points to the common understanding of the Trinity, 1 John 5:7-8, did not appear in earlier manuscripts and may have been added at some point by someone wanted to codify their understanding of the Trinity.

    7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    8) And there are there that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

    Of course, there are plenty of other verses that suggest a Trinity, so this does not lead me to deny the doctrine of the Trinity but, unlike common Mennonite thinking, I don't believe that the issue is salvational.

    Augustine said that if you deny the Trinity, you lose your soul. I disagree, largely because those things that are salvational are more clearly defined in Scripture.

    I will suggest that, as mortals, we are incapable of understanding the nature of God, and that this is why the authors of Scripture left the question open-ended.

    This runs up against something that is in the nature of mankind, which is to have an answer to every question. We don't like to admit that we are incapable of understanding everything. Thus, we have creeds that attempt to answer these unanswerable questions.

    Are the creeds right? Maybe, and maybe not. The important thing is to recognize that these creeds are not the equivalent of Scripture. Changes to a creed do not indicate that God has changed his mind, but only that men have changed their minds about what God has said. Men made the creeds, so I suppose men can change them, but creeds are not the equivalent of Scripture.
     
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  8. Chrissy Cross

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    I just used the Nicene Creed as an example of changes. Everything in the bible that you read today is not original and has been translated and to me that's the first sign of errors. Translations even today are ridiculous as to how wrong they are and I'm talking modern day.

    Some things are just impossible to translate and if just one word is wrong, the whole meaning can change. If you know more than one language you would see how sometimes it's just impossible to correctly translate one sentence. There are words that can't be translated at all...you just try to come close.

    I believe scripture has been changed and interpreted also.

    Religion as been argued and discussed since the beginning and still there isn't one universal truth about it, so I'm going to quit now and wish you a good Sunday....I should have gone to the store a few hours ago.
     
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  9. Ken Anderson

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    True. There are translations that have been published for the sole purpose of trying to make the Scriptures say something that they didn't say. Some of these, such as the TNIV, should simply be ignored by real Christians. Otherwise, I think it's safe to say that any new translation that changes essential Christian doctrine is no more reliable than a man-made creed. The vast majority of translations, however, are remarkably similar in meaning. Other than a verse or two that appears on one manuscript but not another, and some translations that are laughable at best, I haven't seen radical differences in the English language translations, and I have several.
     
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    Read what he says in Mark 7:14-19, "Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. "All of you listen," he said, "and try to understand. You are not defiled by what you eat; you are defiled by what you say and do!" Then Jesus went into a house to get away from the crowds, and his disciples asked him what he meant by the statement he had made. "Don't you understand either?" he asked. "Can't you see that what you eat won't defile you? Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.)" And yes I eat pork and shell fish, Jesus took away all the old law with his sacrifice and forgiveness.
     
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    Totally agree!
     
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