Hate Breeds Hate

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  1. Kitty Carmel

    Kitty Carmel Well-Known Member
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    It bothered my mother that immigrants didn't learn English. She did but I'm a one language speaking loser. However she wasn't around a community of people from her own country who spoke the language making it less necessary to learn the language here. As far as the East Indian ladies go, I think they look very pretty. We used to see them in San Jose often in the 80's. What they wear looks comfortable and even older women often expose their waist. They are not covered head to toe where the sun can't even touch their skin.
     
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    I do think immigrants should learn the language of their 'chosen' destination
     
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    but yet they isnsistent
    here they insist you learn theirs. and accommodate to their customs.
     
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  4. Ken Anderson

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    I think lot large part of the problem is that people are moving around more. Cultures only clash when they are mixed together. I don't like people sacrificing chickens, dogs, cats, or anything else so if I were living among people who did that sort of thing, I would want to make them stop and there would be a clash. But if someone is living in a part of the world where that sort of thing is normal, there's no clash, at least not as long as you're not a chicken, a dog or a cat.

    Now people are moving across the world, expecting their new communities to adapt to them, rather than the other way around.
     
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    Not like that here - they learn or already know English (refugees)
    The worst offenders are from other countries - many are discovered to be lying about the language barrier
    Its something I really do detest
    We have problems with the non conforming refugees, such as Sharia courts
    I really don't like the fact that we have let things get so out of hand - and to answer your earlier question Gary ......
    I would deport anyone that didn't integrate
     
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    I agree

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    its obvious this hate issue has struck deep in you. but you or me or anyone cannot control it. they were fighting wars long before we were born. and the bad news is they will continue to fight long after we're dead and gone. it's man's nature to kill his fellow man. it's in the blood.
     
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    That's why we should have let them get on with it
    I like to hear different views and I appreciate all the replies
    I just can't be looking at 'everyone' as I did before
    Mind you, I'm no fool either - I still have a suspicious mind and not much gets past me ...........:p

    @Gary Ridenour
     
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    Being pro Brexit - I've seen a lot of hatred over that
    One Minister was stabbed last year for being 'against' Brexit
    The 'white' man that did this to her was an 'extremist' in his views
    He stabbed her several times in front of witnesses, she was a young Mother of two with a devoted husband
    As strongly as I feel about Brexit, I could never harm anyone with an opposite view
    I guess I just don't understand :(
    But I do understand the passion for a subject
     
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    you're my kinda gal - salute
     
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  10. Kitty Carmel

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    I believe English as a second language classes are free. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    I haven't traveled out of the U.S. much but when I have it's not hard to find people who speak English. We may as travelers, be a little spoiled in that respect.
     
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    @Kitty Carmel - if you want to go to another country, then you should learn the language
    respectful thing to do
     
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    Yes, Patsy but if you are only on vacation or a short trip you won't learn much. If you have immigrated to the country then yes.

    I'm just stating when English speaking people travel, it's not hard to find people in other countries to speak English. My brother, who traveled a lot said he would find someone who was young, looked friendly and kindly ask if they spoke English. I don't think he ever had a bad experience doing this.
     
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    Anyone seen this - its a step in the right direction

    At least 500 imams and religious leaders have now refused to perform funeral prayers for the London Bridge attackers in condemnation of the “vile murderers”.

    Support for the move is growing as a group of British Muslims prepare to gather near the site of the atrocity to outline renewed efforts against extremism.

    The British Muslim Forum (BMF) said members would set out how communities and mosques will “challenge, robustly and precisely, the perverted interpretation of Islam that is put forward by Isis and other extremist groups”, while calling on people to report anyone expressing sympathy to authorities.
     
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    Definitely a good start!
     
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    How true, Gary.
     
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    Well this should please some people
    White extremists deliberately used a van to run down Muslims leaving their Mosque last night
    The Muslims were helping a man in the street who had just had a heart attack
    Fortunately they were able to detain the extremist until police arrived, although two of the 3 men involved, escaped
    This more than saddens me, not just for the victims but the actions of these men will 'NOT' solve the problem
    of terrorists :(
     
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  17. Kalvin Mitnic

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    OTOH
    Fear,concern,caution,vetting,observing, documenting, keeping stats, following up on threats,using common sense and surveillance when necessary,setting security parameters and reporting perceived plots within your community these are not hate.

    And apologists or enablers are hardly to be celebrated.

    I'd point out that as the Christians in Egypt fear Muslims so does the Muslim sect of the Ahmadiyya fear attack from other Muslims and so do Sunni fear some or even hate Shiite and vice versa.
    If you want an example of hate, look to the schools of Hamas.

    Personally I hate those supporting violence in any creed or culture.

    What's to like in such circumstance.
     
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  18. Patsy Faye

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    Of course not, only a fool would state otherwise
     
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    Before we got involved, Muslims were mostly killing one another.
     
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  20. Patsy Faye

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    Don't get your point, except to say, we should have left well alone
    Blacks kill blacks - white kill whites - terrorists kill 'anyone'
     
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  21. Kalvin Mitnic

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    Historically every creed was into killing for one reason or another before there was Islam/Muslims.But I agree that Muslims have been and still are seemingly obsessed with killing other Muslims.

    Seems to me their invasions/killings lead to the killing in the crusades didn't it?
    Anyhow most of the world came to their senses and repudiated killing for religion. Religion and social order became enlightened, law and order progressed, the Magna Carter, Reformation. Yet not in Islam?
     
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    I'm not sure of my feelings now :(
    I've never agreed with lumping minorities together as 'all' bad, just as we are not 'all' bad
    Having seen some more evidence on young men that come over and are not in any way fit to be here
    I question Government again. I did question why these young men were coming in their droves,
    why not stay and fight. Now I question why, they have been allowed to come here !
    They are arrogant, defiant and not at all trustworthy - I will and can only - ask why ..............:rolleyes:
     
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  23. Kalvin Mitnic

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    lebensraum * (living space) and religion are probably 99 % of the cause of human conflict (my number). And today 90 % (again my number), is related to just one religion.


    *
    1. the territory that a state or nation believes is needed for its natural development, especially associated with Nazi Germany.
     
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  24. Kalvin Mitnic

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    Minorities are one thing, but religious minorities are those more as like the Christians or Jews or Baha'i in Islamic countries, not those distinctive beliefs in Western countries that usually have it better than whence they came even if met by occasional bigotry.

    The The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a sect of Islam that as a Muslim minority are treated worse than any group in Western countries. BTW soon enough Muslims will be a majority at least for now in self imposed districts in many countries
     
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    I know - they'll make sure of that !
     
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