For Some, Everything Seems to Be a Conspiracy

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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    But it is saying that some of these things didn't happen, some actually saying that the children who died at Sandy Hook are alive. Even the conspiracy theorists can't agree on one story that's made up...to me that shows it's just wishful thinking on their part.

    Ask yourself where these conspiracies usually originate? The pro gun people, well most of them anyway...there are some pro gun people that don't believe these things and I'm one of them.


    Most of these theories are based on the fact that these people want you to believe the government is doing this so they can take your guns away.

    There are shootings and terrorist attacks in countries that already have gun control so I'm pretty sure their govt isn't
    Isn't creating these events.

    These things happen, we have terrorists and we have crazy people and they will do these things.
     
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    It is my belief that they did happen but for a purpose. And that they were done for the purpose of making the gun the criminal for the purpose of disarming the people of this country. In the Florida shooting they also get the side benefit of further segregation. Divide and conquer
     
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  3. Chrissy Cross

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    Then why do they happen in countries that already ban guns?

    So, in your view @Chris Ladewig , the government is killing innocent children just to pass a ban on guns??

    I think there are just too many mentally I'll or angry people in the world.
     
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  4. Chris Ladewig

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    that's exactly what I think as for it happening else where it would look really bad if it was just here and we do have other factions in play. The defenseless are easy prey and the most likely to sway public opinion.
     
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  5. Chris Ladewig

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    I believe ISIS is real. And I think Sandy Hook was real. May be the only one that was.
     
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    So, other countries are in on our conspiracies?

    I see the conspiracies as counter productive anyway. It's causing the opposite effect. I fear conspiracy theories more than I fear govt. Because these same people are the ones saying the earth is flat, etc. makes them hard to believe.

    When almost everything becomes a conspiracy theory than most likely most arent.

    I'm done with this because it just goes nowhere, only pushes me away from the side I was supporting.
     
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    I hope I never have to say " I told you so." I hope I'm wrong but nothing else makes sense to me.
     
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  8. Chrissy Cross

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    It makes sense to me. We have terrorists and crazy people. We've always had the crazy people. Now we have crazy angry people too. There's a lot of things that play into it and why someone ones to commit suicide by taking out others ...maybe because it's more televised now. I don't know the answer to why.
     
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  9. Martin Alonzo

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    Bilderberg was a so called conspiracy and was denied by the elite for years those tin hat people. Now they are saying yes it was true and they even have their own web site now.
    US ship attacked by Vietnam and started the Vietnam War the people who said that were conspiracy nuts and tin hats. 30 years later the government admitted it was a false flag. I don’t know how many were put in jail because they would not go or how many laws got passed because the so called attack.
    911 if not true and we find out the truth in the future will they reverse all the laws and all the other things they did because of it not likely. They really don’t care if we find out all these conspiracies are in fact true the laws and negative things they brought in being because of them will never be reversed. That is the scary part of accepting what we hear without checking them out one way or the other.
     
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    If 911 didn't happen, why are we so afraid of terrorists or muslims or Syrians or anybody for that matter?

    Nobody is trying to kill us but our own govt according to conspiracy theories.
     
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    I just question what they are saying. If it was a group mainly from Saudi Arabia why did why did the attack Afghanistan? WT7 fell in its own foot print from an office fire? Plane crashes into the pentagon without any parts found from that plane? A plane crashed in Shanksville without a plane found? They have 28 pages that they will not show from the report? The owner of the twin towers got the only insurance against a terrorist in history did he know something was going to happen?
    They don’t want you to think just believe what they tell you.
     
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  12. Chrissy Cross

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    I'm not even going to answer those questions, Martin. All those have been debunked 100 times over concerning the bldgs and planes. How much proof from experts do you need? All the 911 conspiracy theorists do is rehash the same thing over and over. Disprove the proof and show me your degrees in physics or whatever knowledge one needs to know what they are talking about.

    If only it were true, we'd have nothing to worry about, don't you think? Also, A Republican was president during 911 so why should we trust republicans?

    Here are some answers...

    https://www.metabunk.org/9-11.f28/
     
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    Maybe there are really aliens walking among us and this is all a part of their plan. This is one I would give a slight edge to in believability. We are definitely not alone in this great universe.

    The plan is to have everyone at each other's throats and not even trusting your own family members. This will lead to neighbor fighting neighbor. We will all die and the aliens will rule the world!

    Maybe we are just a game in some other planet's reality. :) It's the earth app, played by many aliens. It's gotten 5 star reviews, has great realistic graphics. In app purchases available but not required.
     
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    The 28 pages don't exist ?
    Oh yes you said you read them but could not tell me where to find them. Well no one except the few high up in the government have read them.
     
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    There's pages on the insurance policy but here is one line that says it all. It wasn't unusual .

    As has already been mentioned, the WTC had ALREADY had a terrorist attack so insuring against terrorist attacks is prudent, NOT suspicious.
     
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    Where did I say I read the 28 pages and can't tell you to find them?
     
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    You asked'

    Over 3,000 people died at Pearl Harbour and they now know that the government knew and did nothing. I don’t know just how many people died at and after Vietnam War all started on a lie from the government. I don’t know how many died in Iraq on a lie started by the government. They were warned about 911 and did nothing and even refuse to let the people see the whole 911 report. The third building that fell on 911 is not in the report. You think these people are there to protect you?


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    Martin Alonzo, Mar 23, 2016

    Chrissy

    I've read those that you are talking about Martin and also the facts debunking them.

    Please let me know where you found them because there are a lot of pages that have been classified by the government and will not release them if you where I can find them I would like to know.

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    Chrissy

    I've read those that you are talking about Martin and also the facts debunking them.

    Please let me know where you found them because there are a lot of pages that have been classified by the government and will not release them if you where I can find them I would like to know.

    I read them awhile ago, Martin...would have to search.


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  18. Chrissy Cross

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    Sorry Martin, I'm not following you still...we were talking about 911 now, no?

    What are you quoting from March? In can't even tell who is saying what.

    I gave you a link above that debunks the 911 conspiracy theory, read that. I don't know where Pearl Harbor came from or what you are saying I said. I really don't.

    Anyway, I feel that the evidence is there that supports that 911 happened the way we saw it unfold. You will never know everything 100% and there is nothing sinister about that.

    You believe otherwise....that's fine, I see no point in this anymore. If you won't look at what I show you there's nothing more I can do. Being paranoid is unhealthy and I don't subscribe to it.
     
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    Some people are distrustful by nature while others are mentally bored. Both will lead a person to believe in conspiracies..........or inventing them where none exists. How unfortunate for both types of individuals. It is true: sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.
     
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    There are times when a junta is set up, it is done in order to insure that a deed is easier for the general public to swallow.
    A prime example would be the United States entrance into the Vietnam war.
    With the Korean War coming to an end, the McCarthy era, and the ongoing Cold War with the U.S.S.R, it was only natural for the American people to believe that we should involve ourselves with S. Vietnam. We were told that we should help S. Vietnam from the onslaught of Communism brought to them by none other than N. Vietnam, China and the U.S.S.R. Stop Communism before it shows up on our very own shores!!!

    Uh, what they didn't say was that we needed to protect American financial interests in a couple of the largest and most profitable markets and industries: Rubber and Sugar. These American owned industries lined the pockets of politicians on both sides of the fence as well as producing super pacs which insured the well being of many a favored candidate not to mention the taxes provided by each. If the communists took over those two industries would have been stripped from the American holders and lightened the pockets of some with major power from those particular cash cows.

    Let's see, what should we tell the American public? Americans die to fight against Communism or to protect someone's pockets? Let's go the Communism thing!!!

    That is what SOME conspiracies are really about. Not just some scheme to make people buy more telescopes in order to find "my favorite Martian".
     
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    I absolutely believe that there is a conspiracy that has brought about many of the mass shootings that we've seen over the past seven years. I don't believe that they didn't occur. Just what that conspiracy is, I won't pretend to know because that's what makes it a conspiracy - it's a secret.

    I believe that there are conspiracies all around us, which is not at all the same thing as saying that I believe all of the conspiracy theories that are all around us.

    I could be wrong, but I believe that most people will agree that we'd be naive to believe everything the government tells us, and polls have shown that most people believe the mainstream media is biased, and don't trust them to tell us the truth. I think most people would also agree that the power of our government grew immensely through the September 11 attacks and that the gun-banning lobby has benefited greatly over mass shootings.

    Given that the motivation is clear, and we know that we can't trust anyone to tell us the truth, is it any wonder that there are conspiracy theories?

    People want things to make sense. That is a part of the human condition. So if the official stories don't make sense, it's only natural that people will look for something else that makes sense to them. Some of them may well be truth, while a great many others are really out there.

    @Chrissy Page, you say that you can't believe people who have agendas? Well, the United Nations not only has agendas, but they are numbered, they are in printed form, and they are being implemented throughout the world. These are very real conspiracies because, while the agendas surely exist, they are being implemented secretly and in the guise of something else, such as economic development.

    When most people in the United States hear of Agenda 21, for example, they are trained to think of it as a conspiracy theory. Yet, while it is indeed a conspiracy, it's not a theory. I believe that is the agenda behind our phony war on terror overseas, the harmful immigration policies in many parts of the world, the gun banning campaign, and overall attack on civil liberties here and elsewhere.
     
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  22. Chrissy Cross

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    @Ken Anderson , I only looked here because you tagged me and I had a long reply ready to post but changed my mind and deleted it. It's best if I avoid this board. Since there are 2 sides to these things, it's pointless for me to continue because it will just go on and on.
     
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