Remember 45's?

Madge Bumstead

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When if we were playing them on a turntable without a pull-up built-in 45 adapter, we had to snap a plastic adapter into the 45 before playing?

Lifting the needle again and again to listen to our favourite parts, and loading up the spindle with a half dozen or more 45's or 78's, and letting the player do it's thing!

Mom used to get so angry when us kids would manually set the needle to what we wanted to play. She had one of those big bulky consoles that had the turntable on the left, a reel-to-reel player on the left, and in the middle was an AM/FM radio with storage for records!
 
That was not until my teenage years. When i was a little kid, my first phonograph was in a little suitcase and it played small 78rpm records. My favorite song was “Skip to My Lou”, and I played that over and over. I think there was a train one that I liked and some others, and i loved that little phonograph.

When I got older, my mom got me a larger one, still in a suitcase cover, and it played all three sizes, 78, 45, and 33 rpm, and I played my favorite 33 albums on that one as well as the 45’s with the little spindle in the center that held several records.
 
My first record was a 45 of Jefferson Airplane. It was an in-store giveaway. Buy 3 packages of Buddig lunch meats and get a free 45. The records were displayed next to the lunch meet.

My older siblings had lots of 45s. My first record player was a GE Wildcat.
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I'd play my favorite records until the grooves turned white.
 
What struck me as weird was finding out that some 45s, especially those sold in Europe, just had the standard small spindle hole. There was even a big-hole punch to "correct" such disks for use in 45 jukeboxes.

Some record players also had a big cylinder you could attach over the metal spindle to accommodate a stack of 45s without putting spiders into their large holes.
 
What struck me as weird was finding out that some 45s, especially those sold in Europe, just had the standard small spindle hole. There was even a big-hole punch to "correct" such disks for use in 45 jukeboxes.

Some record players also had a big cylinder you could attach over the metal spindle to accommodate a stack of 45s without putting spiders into their large holes.
We had the large 46 stackable spindle. It pushed down on the 33/78 spindle and connected to the New Record mechanism.

I had no idea that European 45s had the 33/78 tiny hole. Did they spin at the same RPM? I wonder if 50hz vs 60hz influenced the speed.
 
That is nice , @John Brunner ! Yours was actually one with stereo speakers ! Mine didn’t have that, but the case looked almost the same otherwise, and it had the center piece that went on so you could play the 45’s with the large opening.

Before the 45’s came out, and we just had old 78’s and new 33RPM, the kids records were the size of a 45, but they had the small hole and they were a 78RPM record. Maybe that is what Europeans had, too ? And they just used them for the newer music and 45 speed records ?
 
Here's a synopsis of how the different record speeds came into being, introduced by Edison and then degraded into an RCA/Columbia corporate battle. link

Thomas Edison’s first phonographs were hand cranked, which made a single standard speed virtually impossible. The listener cranked the machine at whatever speed sounded right, which usually worked out to around 80 RPM. That was slow enough to get five minutes of material (the average length of a popular song) onto one of Edison’s five-inch cylinders, and fast enough to provide what passed in those days for decent fidelity.

When the first disc record was introduced in 1888, it was designed to meet the loose standards of the Edison cylinder — five minutes of playing time at 70 to 80 RPM. Formal standardization — at 78.26 RPM — didn’t come until 1925, when the phonograph was married to the speed of a common, mass-produced electric motor fitted with equally common gears.

Around this same time (1925) the original acoustic method of recording was made obsolete by the far superior electric system. The fidelity possible at 78 RPM could now be had at a much slower speed — 33-1/3, thus yielding more playing time from the same size disc. But since radio had been introduced around this time, there was little appetite among the public to incur the cost of converting record standards. So, through the twenties and thirties, the new 33-1/3 process was used only in studios and radio stations.

In 1931, RCA Victor badly bungled an attempt to put a cheap, imperfect 33-1/3 system on the mass market, and no one tried it again until 17 years later (1948), when Columbia Records introduced a new system, shrewdly pitching the new “Long Plays” to classical musical collectors, pointing out that the listener could now settle back and enjoy an entire movement of a symphony without the annoyance of changing the disc every five minutes.

In a pure marketing move, RCA created an entirely new patented system — 45 RPM — on the market. It offered the same five minute playing time as the 78 with somewhat improved fidelity and the dubious advantage of being more “convenient” because the discs were smaller. In presenting the 45, RCA came up with marketing B.S. about how 45 RPM was the "optimum speed" for sound reproduction, but actually had told its engineers to come up with any old speed so long as it wasn’t compatible with Columbia’s 33-1/3 system. The big hole in the 45 was apparently supposed to make the two types of records even more incompatible.

And that's how the 3 different record speeds came into being.

The linked article talks about subsequent "standards" infighting between RCA and Columbia, with each eventually licensing the other's technology (RCA owning 45 and Columbia owning 33.) As an interesting aside, the whole concept of optimum turntable speed had been marketing BS since the turn of the century...at a constant turntable speed, the velocity of the grooves moving past the stylus decreases as the record plays. Some systems sprung up that spun the turntable at a variable speed for Constant Groove Velocity, but that quickly died. I wonder if the European records with the small spindle hole with the 45 knock-out wasn't to make the records compatible no matter which company prevailed in the standards battle.
 
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What struck me as weird was finding out that some 45s, especially those sold in Europe, just had the standard small spindle hole. There was even a big-hole punch to "correct" such disks for use in 45 jukeboxes.

Some record players also had a big cylinder you could attach over the metal spindle to accommodate a stack of 45s without putting spiders into their large holes.

Jacob, ,mama, had a stereo to play her Dean Martin, Johhny Mathis ,etc, records on, so my first 45 record at 13 was 99cent Beatles record, I Wanna Hold Your Hand.
I got it at the record store, remember those?
 
Jacob, ,mama, had a stereo to play her Dean Martin, Johhny Mathis ,etc, records on, so my first 45 record at 13 was 99cent Beatles record, I Wanna Hold Your Hand.
I got it at the record store, remember those?
I loved the record discount bin!!! If you were into jazz, blues and big band music, you could get some real deals. It was also kind of depressing to see a record by someone like Jack Jones selling for 99¢, as though the masses did not value his talent.
 
8 tracks are absolutely beautiful John!!

Most of them do not have Dolby so they sound insanely good! (If they are done right)

Close to reel to reel!

If I can find a cassette w/o dolby I prefer it but its harder...
I have a Denon cassette deck where you can turn Dolby on and off. It also has the option for the metal cassette tapes (CO2, or Chromium Oxide.) I believe the idea was that metal does not stretch like the regular tape does. I also believe they could get the metal particles on it denser than regular tape.
 
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