PRCA Rodeo

Cody Fousnough said:
WOW, now starting to wonder if I should've started this thread at all. I've defended about as much as I can, concerning the different organizations of rodeo that is out there.
I wonder if Tony knows that a high school student, involved in high school rodeo, can get a college scholarship from rodeo? Also, Tony, what about those Jockeys that will use a short "whip" on a racehorse during a race to get it to go faster? Does that mean we should ban the Kentucky Derby and other major horse races?
It's like I've already stated, Tony, you have your dislikes and likes and so do others. There are those that don't believe in wearing spurs when riding a horse and there are those that would never ride a horse without them.

Now, let's get on with discussing PRCA rodeo and what is happening in it. Or, for those not interested, don't comment! To be totally honest here, my wife had a very good girlfriend, but the key word here is "had". One time on the phone with her, she told us "I don't give a crap about farms or ranches. All of them, and the folks that own and run them, can be buried "10 feet under" as far as I'm concerned." Well, wife and I both decided, "that's enough" and stopped all communications with her.
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Ah, I see. Rodeos are the only way to get college scholarships.....

Between 700 and 1,800 racehorses die in the U.S. every year from racing, training, and other medical issues, according to racing groups and animal welfare organizations. The national average is about 1.5 to 2 catastrophic breakdowns per 1,000 starts, though rates vary by track. [1, 2, 3]
The main causes of fatality in the horse racing industry are separated into several categories:
    • Musculoskeletal Injuries: Catastrophic leg fractures, ruptured ligaments, and strained tendons are the most common. Often, minor, difficult-to-diagnose hairline fractures worsen during high-speed training or racing. [1]
    • Sudden Deaths: Approximately 8% of racecourse fatalities are "sudden deaths," which are often linked to heart problems or arrhythmias
    How many racehorses die each year in racing?

    According to the official Equine Injury Database maintained by The Jockey Club, the rate of fatal injury in recent years sits at approximately 1.07 to 1.32 deaths per 1,000 race starts. These statistics primarily track race-day fatalities; however, animal welfare groups, such as Horseracing Wrongs, estimate that total annual deaths exceed 1,800 when factoring in off-site locations, training facilities, and unreported incidents.


    In other major racing jurisdictions like Australia, advocacy groups track an average of 150 to 175 racing-related fatalities per year
 
Hey, @Cody Fousnough carry on and post what you want on your thread.

Talk about what gives you pleasure and enjoyment and don't let others opinions discourage you.

Now, if you haven't watched the movie, "The Last Rodeo." do so. I bet you and Nancy will really enjoy the movie. It really brings home the point about the love of family and humanity in rodeo, especially bull riding, something many other sports lack. They use several real famous rodeo performers in the movie, so it was well done.
 
@Tony Nathanson not all rodeoers or keepers of stock are abusive arseholes. I don’t care what animal venue one goes into, there will ALWAYS be the One Percenters who cause all the damage, hurt and make things look bad for everyone else.

By-and-large Rodeo stock are bred for that career and well managed in all aspects. If they weren’t, they couldn’t do their job.

I have a stellar foto of a previous farrier who was also a bareback rider on the PRCA circuit. He had no business being in the rodeo because he was a childhood cancer survivor and had custody of his small daughter. He owned one of the ex rodeo horses — it was his toddler’s horse. - they loved each other and she could ride that horse bareback by herself.

I speak past tense because this farrier threw his shoulder out so many times rodeoing, he finally needed surgery; he abused himself. I had to find a new farrier.

2. On the subject of one percenters, the story of the Tennessee Walking Horse big licks has been going on for decades. I am a die hard trail rider and have ridden Tennessee Walkers since 1988, Years ago I was told by some stupidass that I should be arrested and my horses shot because they were Tennessee Walkers from show blood lines - no kidding. You should be able to guess where that idiot conversation went. ALL four of my Walking Horses were humanely laid to rest on my current farm, when their old age times came.

Point being, it is fool hardy to rail against something one knows nothing about except for the “captured moments” on the net — some of which are old outdated fotos. PETA has its good points but there are also fools who are PITA’s. I have seen folks turned for one skinny horse in a herd of fat horses because the “do-gooder” was too dumb to ask might be wrong with the skinny horse. I have rescued my share of horses and dogs in my lifetime and still have the vet bills to prove it. Rants and raves like this demonstration don’t cut it with me.

4. I could go on until the cows come home for milking about people not doing their homework.

Apologies @Cody Fousnough for sticking my nose in the animal welfare portion of this, but in some ways, it does go hand in hand with the sport. I am just so fed up with people railing against issues they know nothing about until they see an outdated photos on the Internet.
 
Connie Bennett said:
@Tony Nathanson not all rodeoers or keepers of stock are abusive arseholes. I don’t care what animal venue one goes into, there will ALWAYS be the One Percenters who cause all the damage, hurt and make things look bad for everyone else.

By-and-large Rodeo stock are bred for that career and well managed in all aspects. If they weren’t, they couldn’t do their job.

I have a stellar foto of a previous farrier who was also a bareback rider on the PRCA circuit. He had no business being in the rodeo because he was a childhood cancer survivor and had custody of his small daughter. He owned one of the ex rodeo horses — it was his toddler’s horse. - they loved each other and she could ride that horse bareback by herself.

I speak past tense because this farrier threw his shoulder out so many times rodeoing, he finally needed surgery; he abused himself. I had to find a new farrier.

2. On the subject of one percenters, the story of the Tennessee Walking Horse big licks has been going on for decades. I am a die hard trail rider and have ridden Tennessee Walkers since 1988, Years ago I was told by some stupidass that I should be arrested and my horses shot because they were Tennessee Walkers from show blood lines - no kidding. You should be able to guess where that idiot conversation went. ALL four of my Walking Horses were humanely laid to rest on my current farm, when their old age times came.

Point being, it is fool hardy to rail against something one knows nothing about except for the “captured moments” on the net — some of which are old outdated fotos. PETA has its good points but there are also fools who are PITA’s. I have seen folks turned for one skinny horse in a herd of fat horses because the “do-gooder” was too dumb to ask might be wrong with the skinny horse. I have rescued my share of horses and dogs in my lifetime and still have the vet bills to prove it. Rants and raves like this demonstration don’t cut it with me.

4. I could go on until the cows come home for milking about people not doing their homework.

Apologies @Cody Fousnough for sticking my nose in the animal welfare portion of this, but in some ways, it does go hand in hand with the sport. I am just so fed up with people railing against issues they know nothing about until they see an outdated photos on the Internet.
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Perhaps you could educate me on a couple of points:
1. Is there a "Gentle Humane" way to jump on a running, terrified calf & twist its head & neck & wrestle it to the ground?"

2. What did the calf do to deserve such treatment?

We are not allowed to treat mass murderers or serial rapists serving life in prison this way. Why is is OK to do it to a helpless animal?

As for "Knowing nothing about rodeo," I was reminded of a TV repairman back in the 60's when I was around 12 years old. He came to repair our TV that had a terrible picture. After he repaired it & asked to be paid, I saw that the picture was just as bad as before. When I told him the picture was still bad, he asked me if I was an electrician. My dad told him to get lost.
 
Tony Nathanson said:
Perhaps you could educate me on a couple of points:
1. Is there a "Gentle Humane" way to jump on a running, terrified calf & twist its head & neck & wrestle it to the ground?"

2. What did the calf do to deserve such treatment?

We are not allowed to treat mass murderers or serial rapists serving life in prison this way. Why is is OK to do it to a helpless animal?

As for "Knowing nothing about rodeo," I was reminded of a TV repairman back in the 60's when I was around 12 years old. He came to repair our TV that had a terrible picture. After he repaired it & asked to be paid, I saw that the picture was just as bad as before. When I told him the picture was still bad, he asked me if I was an electrician. My dad told him to get lost.
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Calf sorting and branding is still legal, necessary on the range, and practiced today. The daily rigors of ranching and keeping track of each ranches cattle is how these rodeo competitions started on the open range.

The comparison between an inept 1960’s tv repairman and roping is an interesting thought when discussing rodeo knowledge. 🤠.
 
Tony Nathanson said:
Perhaps you could educate me on a couple of points:
1. Is there a "Gentle Humane" way to jump on a running, terrified calf & twist its head & neck & wrestle it to the ground?"
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First of all, the steer (18 months minimum-3 years max) (not a calf) isn't terrified. They love to run and in no way are shocked or forced into leaving the chute. Bending the steers neck does not hurt it in any way or cause it pain. That move, just makes the steer lose its balance. A good rodeo steer is worth a lot of money, up to $350,000, so the stock contractors don't tolerate any abuse. Nothing inhumane about it.
 
Faye Fox said:
First of all, the steer (18 months minimum-3 years max) (not a calf) isn't terrified. They love to run and in no way are shocked or forced into leaving the chute. Bending the steers neck does not hurt it in any way or cause it pain. That move, just makes the steer lose its balance. A good rodeo steer is worth a lot of money, up to $350,000, so the stock contractors don't tolerate any abuse. Nothing inhumane about it.
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  • Neck and Spinal Trauma: Lassoing a calf at full speed violently stops the animal, which can cause severe whiplash, windpipe damage, and spinal impacts. [1, 2]
    Bone Fractures and Soft Tissue Damage: Slamming the calf to the ground and forcefully restraining its legs carries a high risk of broken ribs, broken legs, and torn ligaments. [1, 2]
    overview of Animal Welfare: Organizations like the RSPCA Australia explicitly warn against calf roping due to the inevitable fear, stress, and high probability of physical trauma the calves endure. [1, 2]

    Not that I needed this info; common sense is all anyone would need.

    When people enjoy something--especially when it's part of their culture--they tend to create their own reality.


    As I said, Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
 
Can we agree to disagree. We are active shooters (SO on world level) and hunters (meat, no trophies). Friends are active on top of the food chain in some horse sports as competitors and administrators. The gentleman who graciously fixes some of my old silver (cookie bags are a must) did not walk out of the arena as quite a few folks around here did. Some of our circle come from large ranches and some rodeo. Talk to the manager at Langston’s in Yukon if you want to know what is going on, who got hurt, who limped away, who got a purse. They all hang out at the store. The horse chiropractor who handles the riders as well, the Mexican horse whisperer who pays in cash including coins, … . Rodeo has changed in the last few years. It is moving towards corporate teams without 401k.
 
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