Stray and Feral Cats

Ken Anderson

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Anything related to stray and feral cats can be discussed here, and I will have more to say about them later.

What I am going to open with, though, is the gray (blue) cat that I have been feeding outdoors (and now in my porch, which I leave open) for at least 6-7 years now. You may have seen pictures because I posted some in the first iteration of our board. He is not feral because, even the first time I saw him, he would stop and look like he was considering coming over when I called, "Kitty," so he was someone's cat once. They may have moved, and people often tragically leave their cats behind, or, as others do, they dump their cats once they are no longer cute little kittens. Who knows, but he was someone's kitty once.

While I have been feeding him (and others) for years now, I don't know where he spends the rest of his time. There is a vacant house with a now-falling-down garage next door to me that would be open to cat access, and I do see him in that yard often. I haven't allowed myself to domesticate him because we already had two cats, and Ella didn't seem thrilled about Bubba being around. I was also worried about bringing in a fairly large male who has been on his own for years, because I wouldn't want Ella, who is tiny, to be bullied, and she's used to being in charge of her life.

However, now that Bubba is gone, Ella has been walking around the house meowing, and she's not usually very verbal. Just as was the case when we lost Cutie, Ella might do well with a second cat in the house, despite her protestations. As long as no one hurt anyone else, she would get used to it, and a second cat would add more than it would detract from her life. Despite often wanting to be an only cat, she's never been an only cat for any period of time, and it must seem weird to her, particularly when we're not home.

I am also remembering that, several years ago, when I was letting Ella out, I went looking for her as dusk approached, and she wasn't responding. She usually came when I called her, but it wasn't uncommon for her to decide she wanted some more time outside and ignore me. I was walking along the tracks behind our house, calling for her. She didn't respond, but I saw her sitting on the embankment on the other side of the house, where the ground level rises to the house on the next street over, rather than dropping as it does to my house. She was sitting next to that same gray cat, so she wasn't afraid of him then, and seemed to like his company.

Also, this past spring, summer, and fall, when I spent a lot of time outdoors working on the garden, picking leaves, and tending the compost pile, the gray cat would frequently sit near me, just watching me work. Twice, he rubbed up against my leg, and once he rolled over on his back. When I tried to pet his stomach, he let me know that, while rolling over on his back was a sign of trust, it didn't extend to actually touching his stomach. He slapped me, but he did so with his claws retracted. He would also follow me from the backyard to the front porch if I asked him if he was hungry, so there's a level of trust there that I hadn't wanted to explore too far because I knew (then) that I couldn't take him into the house and that, if it got to where he was letting me pet him, I'd want to bring him in.

So, I have decided that if I find him on our porch, I will sit out there with him while he eats. He will come in and eat while I am still there, and has let me touch the top of his head or his nose, but at arm's length. I haven't seen him in the last few days, but he is still around because I put a camera out there. So, I am going to look for him and see if he would like to be a house kitty, and if bringing him in won't be a threat to Ella. She will probably hiss and keep doing it for years, but it will add something she needs in her life, especially when we're not home. She might think she wants to be an only kitty, but I don't think she's happy that way. Plus, I would really like to give the gray kitty a more comfortable life.

Although he is doing pretty well outdoors. He looks healthy enough and is a fine-looking cat.

This post could have gone in The Cat Distribution System thread, but I have some other things that I want to say about stray or feral cats that I will post later.
 
Is that the one we called Smoke, Ken?

He might be happier with the way he is living now. He is healthy and free to roam. If he becomes a house cat, he will likely lose that freedom.
 
I was hoping that you would do this, and I think that since you saw Ella chatting, or at least near the grey cat, they will probably learn to get along.
It seems pretty clear that the grey cat has chosen you for his new home.
 
Is that the one we called Smoke, Ken?

He might be happier with the way he is living now. He is healthy and free to roam. If he becomes a house cat, he will likely lose that freedom.
Yes, but as for living outdoors, this is Maine, and it's awfully cold outside. There used to be two black cats who appeared to be siblings coming to my food bowl. One of them showed up one day with a wound in his side as if someone had shot him with a pellet gun or something. I wanted to take him to a vet, but couldn't get near him, and never saw him again. The other black one is still around (in fact, he is on our porch right now), but he's missing an ear and looking pretty rough. Ella throws a fit when she sees him on the porch, though, so I don't think he'd be a good choice. Plus, the gray cat already wants to be friends.

Bird, who has been gone for several years now, was taken in as a feral adult, and she loved being a house kitty. She even seemed to love being called a house kitty.
 
Even here in Alabama, it is hard for a homeless kitty cat, and it is no where near as cold here as it must be up there in Maine; so I am sure that your grey kitty would love to be a house cat.
We have been feeding and sheltering some of the feral and abandoned cats here in our neighborhood, and except for ones that were born and lived feral, i think they would prefer to have a home and be loved than be left outside to deal with whatever the weather and life throws at them.

These cats come up looking for something to eat and a safe place to shelter from the rain and cold, but even if they were house cats at some point, they no longer trust humans, for the most part.
That your grey cat has been coming to you for help and food all these years probably means that he would like to be part of your family. And if you allow him to come inside and it turns out that he actually does not want to be a house cat, you can just let him back out and continue to feed him like you have been.

As W. Clement Stone used to tell us, “when there is nothing to be lost and everything to be gained by trying; by all means, try.”
 
I haven't seen him since I decided to take him in. I just ordered a security camera that will alert me when an animal comes in, which I will set low enough to record cats rather than people. We already have a Ring camera but that's not pointed at the cat level. The food is being eaten but it's not like he's the only cat that comes in. However, he is the only one who has often waited for me to get up in the morning.

I've seen the black cat and a well-groomed orange one with a collar who probably just prefers my food to what she's getting at home.
 
Okay, when we returned from Bangor, the gray cat (we will call him Smoke, although, since cats like names that end in the "ee" sound, I'll probably call him Smokey) was in the porch waiting for his meal. I sat with him while he ate a whole 5 oz can of premium cat food, then told him I'd get him more if he waited. He ate another half a can, along with some kibble.

I sat with him, talking to him. He will let me touch his nose or the top of his head; he seems to even invite me to do that. But when he turned around and I touched his back, he left, but he had already eaten quite a lot of food by then. I was tempted to close the door on him and try to grab him but I would rather not take him in as a frightened captive, and if I failed, I might have lost the trust I have earned thus far.

So, I will try to be there when he comes for food. I have a light that comes on when there is movement there at night, and I have ordered a security camera that will alert me if something is there, and will be setting that at cat level, so I'll be more likely to know when he's there. I plan to sit with him while he eats and see what further trust I can earn. Hopefully, he will let me pet him at some point (he's been on his own for years but he was someone's kitty once), and I think he will because he's been shadowing me when I'm outdoors.

When we get to where he will let me pick him up without freaking out, I'll bring him in and then we'll deal with the Ella situation. I don't expect her to be pleased with it, but as long as no one hurts anyone else, they'll work things out in cat fashion.
 
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Our feral cat we found in the shed near the woods. She was our dog Foxy little playmate, they really loved each other.
Tell me if this picture is ok, or is it too large.

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By the way, when I came in after being on the porch with Smoke for about ten minutes, Ella was on the other side of the door, probably listening, and she didn't act like she was angry. She sniffed at my hand where I had touched the gray cat, picking up on that right away. In the past, when I have come home after petting someone else's cat, Ella would be angry, so may this will work with Smoke. I hope so, anyhow.
 
Your rude, and although it has taken me a while to get enough of it because I liked most of your members, I hung in here. When somebody pisses me off I at least let them know how after awhile.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'm not sure why you feel that way, but you might be right. Either way, you're welcome to feel that way, although it wasn't my intention to be rude.
 
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I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'm not sure why you feel that way, but you might be right. Either way, you're welcome to feel that way, although it wasn't my intention to be rude.
Ken I apologize for my 'poor me attitude' I have had a bad month and just took your not answering me wrong, I need to realize we all have attention failures.
I understand your busy.
 
Ken I apologize for my 'poor me attitude' I have had a bad month and just took your not answering me wrong, I need to realize we all have attention failures.
I understand your busy.
I didn't answer right away because I can't tell whether a photo is large from the way it appears in the forum because the forum software will reduce it to a size that fits the screen. But, it won't reduce the actual size of the image, meaning the amount of space that it's taking up. I would have to download it to my computer and bring it up in an image program to see what the size is.
 
I have a cat problem, and I am not sure how it is going to play out. I won’t go into all of the details here, since it is all chronicled in my journal in the diary section of the forum; but it basically involves a stray cat that arrived here as a kitten a year or so ago, via the cat distribution system.
After she grew up, she had kittens , which she loved until she weaned them, and then she started becoming more feral and distancing herself from both the cats and people.

Winter came, she was hurt and freezing, but uncatchable, and we finally had to trap her to catch her and bring her inside, which is where she has been for the last month pretty much. She is gaining weight, healed up from the battle scars she somehow got, and doing okay, but I can’t figure out what the future holds for this cat, whom I dearly love.

She attacks the kittens, who are in and out during the day, so she has to be kept separate from them, and if she were loose in the house, she would escape out the door, and we would have to try and trap her again, which might not work twice.
So, she stays in the crate set-up during the day, and I bring her out and let her loose in the house at night. She is doing okay with this, and slowly getting over whatever trauma turned her so wild last fall.

The thing is, she can’t spend the rest of her life living like this, and it is hard on her and on us trying to take care of her this way. Unless she gets better about being with the other cats, she can’t be loose with them, and she can’t go outside if she is going to just run away again.
The kittens are used to being inside and outside, so I do not want to make her the only house cat, either. I am at a loss as to what would work with this cat.
This is Kitten Little last year when she first came to us.

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She may have had some bad experiences with people. There is also the possibility that, like people, some cats are whack jobs. Cutie, the black cat who lived to be nearly 29 years old, was the sweetest, gentlest, most lovable cat I've had, although equaled by some others, like Obadiah and Bubba. But her sister, from the same litter, although born in my house and treated kindly, was a whack job. I love her, and she was certainly entertaining and, in her way, even lovable, but she didn't much like people or other cats. She lived to be 24 or 25 and, in all that time, except when she was a kitten in her mother's care, I have only one photo of her and Cutie lying next to one another, and in another photo, taken just moments later, their paws were up, and they were fighting.
 
This afternoon, Smoke let me pet him for a minute or so while he was eating. To be sure, he didn't come for the petting; he came for the food, but was willing to put up with the petting for a little while. He had come to eat too late, and the canned food that I had left had frozen (it's about 10 degrees here today). I told him to wait, that I'd be right back with some fresh food (yeah, I always talk to cats as if they understand what I'm saying, and it seems to work). He waited, so I sat down near the bowl and petted him while he ate. After a minute or so, he bolted. Knowing he hadn't eaten his full, I called him back and told him he could eat on his own. He did, and I went back inside.
 
Ken, have you thought about putting a heated mat on the porch for him?

My oldest son lives with me. He, bless his heart, has started feeding a (what looks to be) stray cat. Now he has bought a big barrel like thing, put it out behind his work storage building, and put pine straw in it for the cat to hopefully sleep in. I expect him to put a heated pad in it next. :ROFLMAO:
 
It's on my agenda to have an electrical plug placed there. We have electricity to the porch for the outside light, but so far, no plug. Last winter, I set up a couple of potential homes for the outdoor cats in various places, but, as far as I am aware, not a single cat has even entered one of them. For a time, I had an enclosed bed for them on the porch, but they didn't use that either. The fear is of being trapped there in the face of another cat or a raccoon, I suspect. I had thought of opening a place in an outbuilding for them, but I'm afraid I might be making a home for raccoons.
 
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