Let’s Talk About Socialism

Discussion in 'Politics & Government' started by Hal Pollner, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. Al Amoling

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    read all of my post. I included your words.
     
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    Okay, it’s moved.
    As I wrote before, your links are weak. Instead of mark for mark history you’ve decided to provide a partisan view which backs up your own opinion.
    I guess there’s no harm in that seeing how it will not make a difference one way or the other. Facts are facts and when it comes to history there is nothing cut and dry and no amount of partisanship can change them but if the terms of those actions you so generously provided make you feel good, so be it.
     
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  3. James Hintze

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    Do you challenge my statement, backed up by my posts, that the us has been toppling governments in Central America this past century, amother other places? Also, I might ask about meddling. We get upset when other countries meddle in our stuff, as we should, but it seems generally OK if we do the same all over the world?
     
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  4. Bobby Cole

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    Now James, don’t get testy on me. Where did I write that I doubt anything at all? I merely wrote how weak your references are particularly when I see that they are already heavily biased instead of mark for mark, step by step history.
    If I remember correctly, you’re a teacher? Understand this, if I were the one assigning the homework or a thesis I’d throw that stuff in file 13 and ask whomever to go back and bring me history, not another story akin to how Columbus discovered America.

    Recording history is supposed to be an exact science but sadly, much of it is steam rolled into a glob of gunk whereby no one has the truth but conglomeration of some truth and some myth.
    The other sad part is it totally dependent upon whom is doing the recording as to how it is told.

    Ancient Egypt is a good example. There is no historical writings from ancient Egypt that says they ever lost a battle. Yet, it is well known that they did. Why? Because if a Pharaoh had some bad stuff written during his (or her) reign, it was believed that it would follow him into the hereafter and losing a battle is bad stuff.
     
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  5. James Hintze

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    Robby, the last thing I want to do is to get testy. Sorry if my post came off like that. My question is simply if you and our other friends here don't believe that the US has been involved in meddling in the governments of Central America for decades. I find it interesting that few people here are willing to touch this topic.
     
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    I really do not think others are unwilling to “touch” the topic but the way you phrased your indictment would give others pause to evaluate whether or not their time might be better spent doing something else.
    You see, much of South America has been in the United Nations since 1945 so to come out play devil’s advocate by key holing one country, specifically the United States with a charge of “meddling” gives a rather abstract view of our histories. Every nation within the complex of the United Nations is and has been represented in South America in one or more capacities.

    If it were mine to choose I would rather the U.S. get out of the U.N. but until we do, where the other nations are involved there go we.

    I’m not a Wiki fanatic but here’s a nice read just to get a glimpse of what S. A. is going through politically. I picked the USAN program because it’s an organization within an organization but still has some presence in the U.N.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations
     
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    I hope this is a joke...otherwise USA is falling down faster than everybody thinks:
    Yes, some students at UCLA claim automatic soap dispensers are racist. Yes, according to them the dispenser only """sees"""" the palm of the person which, in black and brown people, is the only area with light skin.
     
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  8. Bobby Cole

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    The toilet paper is EXTREMELY racist.
     
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  11. Nancy Hart

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    That sounds a lot like the way my girlfriend and I played Monopoly when we were kids. We would play sometimes for 2 days, picking it up in the morning where we left off. Eventually we just called it quits. There was no winner or loser. It was a lot of fun.

    My cousin, OTOH, played Monopoly to kill. She would amass properties, add houses, hotels, etc, while everyone else was just talking and joking around. Soon everyone was broke and the game was over. Sometimes she could win in 30 minutes. It wasn't much fun. But she probably enjoyed it.
     
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    Right now it is divide and conquor create as much racial divisions as posible while they finish us all off.United we stand divided we fall.
     
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  13. Joyce Senior

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    Socialism and Communism aren't the same thing. The USSR was both socialistic and communistic. Sweden is a socialist country, but not a communist one. Medicare and the recent stimulus checks and the "free" (paid by tax dollars) vaccines and testing and schools are socialist policies, but not communist ones.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/100214/what-difference-between-communism-and-socialism.asp
     
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    This is true too but I'm mostly talking about the nations that start with socialism and end up communist. Like we are trying to do now .
    Its easy to be socilisst if you have others protecting your survival.
     
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  15. Joyce Senior

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    What do you consider that we're doing right now that would end us as communistic? I don't see it and would really like to understand your point of view. Copied directly from my previous reference:

    Key Takeaways
    • Communism and socialism are political and economic systems that share certain beliefs, including greater equality in the distribution of income.
    • One way communism differs from socialism is that it calls for the transfer of power to the working class by revolutionary rather than gradual means.
    • Both communism and socialism advocate public control of the means of production, although socialism allows for the continued existence of capitalism in some parts of the economy.
     
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