Chinese Organ Harvesting

[Ken Anderson]

Similar things have, and are, going on here in the United States and other Western countries, as well, but it may not be on the scale as in China. In the United States, people who were on the organ donating list have had their organs harvested before they were dead. In one case, at least, the guy was physically resisting as he was being rolled to the operating table, yet the organ harvesting people were still insistent that the procedure must go on. He survived and recovered from whatever it was that was wrong with him (I don't remember) only because the doctor who had been hired to harvest the organs refused to do it.

However, within the closed Chinese society, the people slotted for organ harvesting are alive and healthy because, ideally, organs from healthy people are better. There is a plant, being enacted, to increase the lifespans of the super elite, throughout the world, indefinitely, the short-term goal being 150 years. The rest of the world overlooks the Chinese practice of harvesting organs from healthy people because the super elite from nations throughout the world are recipients of these organs.

This thread could fit into a medical category or in a news or politics category because it's true, and it's all of these things, but in the end, it's a global conspiracy, so I am placing it here. Remember that despite what the CIA would have you believe, not every conspiracy is a theory, and not every conspiracy theory is wrong.

I have not yet watched the second video, although I will be doing so today. I have added it because it's part of the same podcast channel and about the same subject.

 

[Marie Mallory]

We've read a couple of these articles, it's horrible what happens to some in this world.
Hard to imagine how people can be so evil.

 

[Marie Miller]

More along that line https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...-bangladesh-organ-traffickers-rob-poor-donors

 

[Don Alaska]

I was a big advocate of organ donation until I watched the process. When I worked at a large trauma center, there were people who were severely injured. If it appeared they were going to die, they were checked to see if they were signed up as an organ donor. If not, their next-of-kin was/pressured to sign a document approving of donation. They were then put on life support to make sure the organs would remain in good condition and the "vultures" were notified. The vultures (as we called them) were the organ harvesters from an even larger hospital that was the organ transplant center for the area. The vultures would then pace the floor of the injured person's room waiting and sometimes telling the patient to "hurry up and die so I can get home". When the injured were declared dead, the organs were harvested and put into a transport device to be taken to those awaiting organs. I know many lives have been saved and improved by the organ transplant process, but watching the process was distasteful. I don't really want people pacing wishing the I would hurry up and die so they can get home for supper.

Of course, I am aware of the desperately poor who willingly sell a kidney to improve the life of their family, but I find that sad. I find what China does to be disgusting.

 

[Faye Fox]

The rulers of China have no regard for human life or suffering. While their methods of organ harvesting are the epidemy of evil, other countries do the same thing, but in a more discreet way.

I am against any organ harvesting other than things like kidneys where the donor does it willingly and doesn't have adverse health effects from it. People aren't really dead when organs are harvested. Organs are harvested from coma patients before they pull the plug and let them die or give them a lethal injection. Organs from a truly dead person are worthless.

I will under no circumstances accept organs nor will I donate them. I have a neighbor that dealt with an enlarged heart from a former medical procedure where he was over exposed to radiation. He sued the facility that did the radiation treatments and collected a settlement for a couple of million. He lived with this enlarged heart for 10 years. He had to go to monthly treatments and was able to do about anything around his place as long as he took several sit down rest.

He was notified that a donor had been located, an 18 year old athlete that got drunk and fell off a high balcony. It was a perfect match. The price was a cool million, a price his medical insurance wouldn't pay. He paid the price and his insurance covered all the medical procedures to make the transplant.

The interesting thing is he found out the kid wasn't signed up as a donor, but when his family found out he was a rare match for a 60 year old offering a cool million, they decided the doctors were right and he would never come out of the coma, so best to pull the plug, but only after his million dollar heart was removed. With heart transplants, you can't pull the plug before, because other organs start shutting down and become toxic, rendering the heart useless.

After knowing this, I decided that if someone, regardless of age, is going to die if they don't get a transplant, then it is their time to go. Only exception would be transplants like a kidney. Under no circumstances, would a donor or their family be allowed to accept money.

Now before someone calls me out, I will post what I found by searching the internet with the question, is a heart usable if taken from a dead person.

Internet answer
Yes, a heart from a deceased person can be used for transplantation, typically from donors who have experienced either brain death or circulatory death. Advances in medical technology have made it possible to safely use hearts from both types of donors.

Please note the wording and assumption that a person is dead if their brain is dead, which is the state of a coma person or circulatory death which is presumed to happen without life support. If life support is providing circulation, then the person isn't dead. So if you pull the person off life support they might die quickly, but maybe not quick enough and the organ would become useless.

A death certificate is never given until the entire body is dead. A person in a coma is not considered dead enough to warrant a death certificate, but they are for harvesting organs worth millions.

Think about this. When you undergo general anesthesia, they stop your breathing. Your life depends on life support. Is that dead enough to justify harvesting your organs, and then letting you die when they pull the breathing tube and you don't have a heart?

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

What's going on with celebs (I normally ignore them) like Oprah, Jim Carey, etc? There seem to be changes so dramatic that it's like they were replaced by another person. Clones?