Questions On Covid Vaccines ( Not Politically Motivated )

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  1. Jim Brown

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    Yes I did. I threw it in the trash. My problem with the vaccines is, if they are totally safe, why hasn't the FDA approved ANY of them? If the vaccines are so safe, why are the vaccine companies exempt from lawsuits due to adverse side effects?
     
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    Just a heads up Bobby, I went to the VA clinic last week for my yearly exam. The nurse said they wanted her to give me three different shots. One of them she said was tetanus, I don't remember what she said the other two were. I declined the shots, but what struck me as very odd, our clinic has NEVER tried to encourage any type of shot except a flu.
     
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    Oh, they hit me with the normal questions about taking the flu shot, pneumonia shots and stuff and even suggested I take the shingles vaccination stating that they were $800 a throw for civilians but I still opt out.

    When I was in the Army I didn’t have a choice and I felt like a veritable pin cushion and as I stated before, the only time I have even had the flu was just a few days after I was given the shot.
    I did get away with not taking the Monday green apple quick step pill (malaria pill) after a couple of weeks of having to step out on the skids of my chopper with my monkey strap on at 3000 ft and letting it rip. One could say that I was able to show Ho Chi Minh what I thought about him.
    I digress.

    So no, until I see a definite change in the stats or understand a whole lot more about the Covid vaccine, I will be a gentleman and allow some other more willing GI to have my portion.
     
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    Another view of what happens to seniors who are taxed Screen Shot 2021-07-22 at 10.16.26 AM.png
     
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    Did any of you science deniers actually look at the study of how state IQs were calculated, or did you just spout off out of willful ignorance? Here is a link to the actual study:

    https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.500.936&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    I'm sure the author would be glad to hear from you experts.


    Two other facts for you: (1) Per the AMA, over 96% of their member MDs are fully vaccinated. (2) Education levels are highly correlated with vaccination rates. The group with the lowest vaxx rates are high school drop outs. The group with the highest vaxx rates are college graduates.
     
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    Of course not, because it couldn't possibly be relevant; or even legitimate. It's not science.
     
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    You seem to be overlooking a key word in that article. ESTIMATED, which is another word for GUESS. Of course they usually put up nice looking charts to try and back up their guess.
     
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    Uh, in our last conversation you denied the most viable way for formulating IQ’s (without being tested) was based on education and careers and now you’re writing, per a small study, that that’s precisely how the data is extracted?

    Read over the past posts Hoot and you will see that the method I wrote about is exactly what you’re now all behind. There IS no such thing as having the ability to know what each state’s IQ’s are. The ONLY way they can “surmise” what those IQ’s are is by analyzing what it normally takes to handle X career and / or X education.

    Now, by your own admission, all your ranting and raving in the last conversations was ……wrong.

    All that said and done, IQ has absolutely nothing to do with who does or does not wish to be vaccinated for Covid 19. It’s a statistical supposition and nothing more and probably meant to give folks with an IQ of less than 90 and have had the shot a chance to pat themselves on the back. (sarcasm)

    Do note: In our area as it most likely is in other areas, people who work with the government as well as the contractors and their employees have to be vaccinated. Doctors have to be vaccinated to work in hospitals. Other professionals also have to be vaccinated in order to work.
    It stands to reason why folks with higher paying careers would want to be vaccinated. Ya can’t pay off that Mercedes and the 300K home if you can’t go to work. There are very few people around here who can work from home any longer. It’s get vaccinated or don’t earn your paycheck.

    Also note: The construction industry worked all the way through the pandemic around here and most of them didn’t even wear a mask. Plumbers, electricians, hot wire guys and gals, trash collectors and heavy equipment operators went to work and are still working.
    Those employers do not insist that their employees get vaccinated. They leave it up to them.
    Inside work with high tech people have to get vaccinated in order to work…..inside the office.

    One last thing: Here’s a college drop-out and an almost drop out of high school. A rancher. Now, is he typical of what you’re surmising? Not a chance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan.
     
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    My doctor would probably not have been vaccinated if it wasn't required by the medical group that employs her, and the only reason she requires masks is that the state requires her to require it, and thus the medical group. She knows they don't protect anyone. I have also had lunch with my last doctor a few times, and none of us wore masks, including her. The mask requirement was made by a Democrat governor, who has no medical training, in order to fulfill a political agenda that has nothing to do with health.
     
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    There is some headway being made. A George Mason professor has avoided the vaccinine mandate by proving in court that, as a recovered Covid patient, he has better immunity than the vaccine would give him.:

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    Recent studies have shown that, contrary to the rhetoric, the majority of deaths and hospitalizations form Covid are among the UNVACCINATED.

    entire article

    This is the important part:

    Vaccinated now comprise the bulk of hospitalizations

    For example, Aug. 1, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, director of Israel’s Public Health Services, announced half of all COVID-19 infections were among the fully vaccinated.

    A few days later, Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, director of the Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, appeared on Channel 13 News, reporting that 95% of severely ill COVID-19 patients are fully vaccinated, and that they make up 85% to 90% of COVID related hospitalizations overall.

    In Scotland, official data on hospitalizations and deaths show 87% of those who have died from COVID-19 in the third wave that began in early July were vaccinated, and in Gibraltar, which has a 99% COVID jab compliance rate, COVID cases have risen by 2,500% since June 1, 2021.

    A CDC investigation of an outbreak in Barnstable County, Massachusetts between July 6 through July 25, found 74% of those who received a diagnosis of COVID19, and 80% of hospitalizations, were among the fully vaccinated. Most, but not all, had the Delta variant.

    “What the breakthrough cases appear to show is that the delta variant of the coronavirus is more easily carried and transmitted by vaccinated people than its predecessors,” the Chronicle editorial board writes.

    “In any case, the greater apparent transmissibility of the variant makes it that much more important to protect as many people as possible from severe COVID by increasing inoculation rates.”

    What the board appears to be saying is that unvaccinated people must be protected against severe infection, against their will, if need be, and the best way to do that is to discriminate against them and treat them like second-class citizens.

    Again, a simple way to check the reasonableness of this argument is to swap out the COVID reference for something else. How about, “It’s important to protect as many people as possible from dying in car accidents by raising car prices so fewer people can get behind the wheel.”

    Can ‘Big Brother’ save you from a virus?

    As early as April 2020, The Times in the U.K. weighed in with similar suggestions, stating “We need Big Brother to beat this virus.” Clare Foges, the author of the piece in question, went on to say, “Don’t let the civil liberties lobby blind us to the fact that greater state surveillance, including ID cards, is required.”

    The argument that Big Brother can protect us from infection is ludicrous on its face, because no amount of people surveillance can prevent microscopic viruses from circulating.

    The No. 1 place of viral spread is in institutions, such as nursing homes and hospitals, yet the staff within them are among the most well-trained in pathogenic control. If trained hospital staff can’t prevent the spread of viruses, how can government officials do it?

    Importantly, the argument that we need vaccine passports to prove we’re “clean” enough to participate in society immediately falls apart when you take into account the fact that the COVID shots do not provide immunity. You can still be infected, carry the virus and spread it to others.

    We’ve already seen several examples of situations where 100% of people were fully “vaccinated” against COVID-19 yet an outbreak occurred. We’ve even seen more than 100 fully COVID injected people die from COVID in one state alone, Massachusetts, so it is likely there are now many thousands of fully “vaccinated” who have died from COVID.

    Even a 100% vaccination rate cannot eliminate COVID

    Most recently, Carnival cruise lines experienced an outbreak despite every last person on that ship having proof of COVID “vaccination.” The cruise liner had even intentionally reduced capacity from 4,000 to 2,800 to provide ample social distancing capability. None of the measures worked. People got sick anyway, which makes perfect sense if you remember that the shot doesn’t provide immunity, only symptom reduction.

    Cases such as these clearly reveal that even if everyone gets the shot, SARS-CoV-2 will mutate and continue to circulate, taking people out here and there. To think that giving up basic rights and freedoms is the answer simply isn’t logical. Taking responsibility for your own health is, and that includes deciding if and how you want to protect yourself from SARS-CoV-2.

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    Gee, another level-headed professor at George Mason University (this is where Walter Williams taught economics for so long before passing away late last year.) But in reading the article, I wonder if the suit ever went forward. I think the university feared the outcome and how it might be universally applied, so they relented for this individual before a ruling was issued (or before it went to court.)

    I guess one step at a time, huh? I wonder if the guy takes on clients...
     
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    This was stated in a recent news letter I received from University of Virginia Hospital:

    "Unfortunately, vaccinated patients have a higher likelihood of contracting delta versus other COVID-19 strains; however, the risk of breakthrough infection is still low and, with the exception of those that are immunosuppressed, vaccinated patients who contract delta are not likely to develop severe disease."

    They hedged their position by stating that the unvaccinated "appear to be more likely" to suffer serious illness and death.
     
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    So they are saying that the vaccinated are spreading the disease to the unvaccinated? Interesting admission.
     
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