Do You Religious Folk And Believers Think I Will Be Going To Hell?

Discussion in 'Atheism & Antitheism' started by Lon Tanner, Mar 27, 2021.

  1. Hugh Manely

    Hugh Manely Very Well-Known Member
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    Lon, I've already answered once. It seems that this thread will not die, so again, let me be clear (as you once stated to me about humanism)

    Don’t get angry at me for saying this (for it is scriptural, so get mad at God if you have a problem with it) Hell is the destination of atheists. What does their “religion” offer? You’ll be a free thinker. Your god will be that of evolution, science and technology, which they argue will eventually prove the bible false. There is no moral giver: the human existence and provable science are the only entities in the world (i.e. bow to the “god” of the human salvation). All problems can be solved by man’s intelligence. If you look at the definition of religion, you must agree that atheism (and humanism} is a religion, or a belief by a group of persons who hold to a set system of thinking or a philosophy.

    One has to wonder though, has technology made us a better nation, a nation of less crime and less evil, a nation where we don’t have to lock our doors, where our kids have no fear in attending schools replete with drugs, violence, or murders? Most homes today are full of iPads, large screen TVs, computers with Facebook and Twitter, but how are they making us better morally?

    Has technology ever cured anyone of drug addiction? Has it ever solved the likelihood of nations going to war? Has it healed a marriage, or comforted those who have lost loved ones, cared for the poor and sick, or visited those in prison? Has it given any justice to those whose lives ended needlessly, such as one child who was shot by a drive-by gang member in Chicago while she was playing on her front porch, (which has happened) and many more? I think not.

    I’ve investigated the claims of the atheist (in fact I was once living their life), and I’ve decided after much thought (and a rebirth incident at my church), that unbelief is too much of a “jump of faith”, in fact it takes more faith to NOT believe than TO believe in my opinion, in view of all the evidence available for the bible being true. These are only a few of the reasons I believe the life of those caught in the dark web of the lies of such Darwinism, the erroneous beliefs of things such as the big bang, the earth being billions of years of the age, the few transitional fossils of our ancestral missing links (which hasn’t proven anything), and others, is not one I want to embrace. For me the assurance that is found in scripture of redemption and forgiveness based on the grace of God is the choice I’ve made. If I thought there was even a .000000001% chance that I might go to hell, I would do all I could to avoid it and at all costs.
     
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  2. Lon Tanner

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    I am not angry with you or anyone Hugh. I could however get a mental hernia trying to digest your long nonsensical post. Have a good day & Peace Be Unto You.
     
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  3. Jeff Elohim

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    (technology may be big part of the reason the whole world is deceived, btw - instead of faith and trust in the Creator, they are taught to trust man and to serve creatures instead of trusting the One Creator)
    .000000001% chance ?
    How about zero chance ?

    Judgment though... everyone, 100% , was, or is, or will be Judged Properly, Righteously, and will receive what Perfect Judgment in Truth Is, whether eternal life, or the second death.
     
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  4. Susan Paynter

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    Why go to Church?

    If you're spiritually alive, you're going to love this!
    If you're spiritually dead, you won't want to read it.
    If you're spiritually curious, there is still hope!

    A Church goer wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper and complained that it made no sense to go to church every Sunday.

    He wrote: "I've gone for 30 years now, and in that time I have heard something like 3,000 sermons, but for the life of me, I can't remember a single one of them. So, I think I'm wasting my time, the preachers and priests are wasting theirs by giving sermons at all".

    This started a real controversy in the "Letters to the Editor" column.

    Much to the delight of the editor, it went on for weeks until someone wrote this clincher:

    "I've been married for 30 years now. In that time my wife has cooked some 32,000 meals. But, for the life of me, I cannot recall the entire menu for a single one of those meals.

    But I do know this: They all nourished me and gave me the strength I needed to do my work. If my wife had not given me these meals, I would be physically dead today.

    Likewise, if I had not gone to church for nourishment, I would be spiritually dead today!"

    Faith sees the invisible, believes the incredible & receives the impossible!
     
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  5. Samual Yoder

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    If one is atheist why even ask, if one does not believe there is a God why would care about a hell? Trick question? It does not matter whether someone believes a person is or is not going to hell or even heaven, if one believes in a God it is God's job to determine one's destiny not any human.
     
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    I really miss Lon, and I hope he's enjoying a nice dinner and wine wherever he is now.
     
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  7. Denise Evans

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    Heaven and hell, I've come to terms, but sometimes conveniently forget that, but the way I can deal with what the bible says, is to look at Heaven as the Presence of God, and hell is the absence of God. When I try to wrap my mind around what the absence of God would be like, for me, it's unbearable to think about. That's because I believe He created all things, and in the beginning, there was no sin in the world. It's also because, and you can call me nieve, but it's easy for me to believe no man/woman I've ever come in contact with, read about, or watched a video on, could have made it all, and try as science does, they can't come close to creating the human body, for example. Yes, there are amazing things man creates, but for me, they fall short.

    For me, faith has to come in, where my own understanding falls short, so I actually should have a lot of faith, all the time:rolleyes: I've often thought that the main things that stands between me and my faith in the God of the bible, is my Ego. How pitiful, really, for me to think I am smarter than the Creator of this world. I guess for some, their god is some sort of pond sludge, or a big bang, but I would have to ask, with my inquiring mind, Who created the sludge, and/or the big bang?? Like the book is titled "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist".

    I also have to add that it's unbearable for me to ever assume anyone, especially loved ones has gone to hell. So I remember that I don't know and can't say. I know how the bible reads, and understand that not believing on Christ means eternal separation from God. But who am I to say that God doesn't meet with each of us, even as we die? He doesn't want people to die without Him, so who can say He doesn't take that final moment, before the last, few breaths, to meet that person. I think there is something about near-death experience, my sister had it happen, and she is definitely not a person to make that up.
     
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    I just saw this @Samual Yoder and I had to say "exactly". I can't bear the thought of my brother, or my mother dying and going to hell. I can't conceive of it, but one thing I do know, they weren't atheists, but I do know my brother was discouraged, and maybe "mad at God", so that right there tells me he would have to believe in God to be so mad at Him, or ask Him "why God" and "why would You do this".
     
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  9. Ken Anderson

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    If God exists, then He exists whether you believe He does or not. Conversely, if God does not exist, belief isn't going to bring Him into existence.
     
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  10. Samual Yoder

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    I've been mad at God, really mad at him when my wife died of cancer, lasted several years before I finally let go of it.
    Furthermore, I do not think it perturbed God in the least that I was mad at him.
    "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Matthew 12:31-32
    I said some really nasty things to God when my wife died, more than just why? I doubt he took it personally, when I finally let go of my anger, ask forgiveness according to this verse I was forgiven for my emotional outbursts!
     
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  11. Denise Evans

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    can't thank you enough for that Samual. In all the years, God certainly has the most perfect timing doesn't He. I really needed to hear what you had to say, and the verses. Especially in the last 6 years, I've gotten so angry at God :(but He in turn, seems to just comfort me and say that He is glad I am talking to Him. The first thing I read this a.m. was your reply. I am sorry for your loss Samual, I just can't imagine that :( I also can't imagine not believing in God, and having Him to run to, even if it's to yell at Him. I never had a dad around when I was growing up, but I have the very, best Father now :)
     
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    Whether we believe or not, there are moments when we've railed at God for a tragic loss or the like. Conversely, we've prayed for his help and we've thanked him for positive outcomes. Most of the time this is done by rote and somewhat unconsciously, while other times it is done with genuine fervor. Do heaven and hell actually exist? I've never come to terms with an answer to that question.
     
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  13. Jeff Elohim

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    Remember the once or sometime someplace popular Grimm's Fairytales ?
    And how some claimed or showed that religion is a drug of choice for the people ?
    Long before Christianity existed, Babylon had powerful widespread influence (and still does today more than ever).
    The ideas most people are raised from birth with, with few exceptions, are fairytales from Babylon, not reality at all.
     
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  14. Lois Winters

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    Lenin was the the one who quoted Marx on stating that religion was a drug of choice by the people.
     
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    I smile every time I read a LonTanner thread and all the responses it gets.
     
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