What Do Forums Need?

Discussion in 'Help Requests' started by Ken Anderson, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Sifu Phil Bonifonte

    Sifu Phil Bonifonte Well-Known Member
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    Hi Ken!

    Congrats on your near-perfect record - I really hope it continues.

    Problem is, I'm what most people would call a pessimist but I like to think of as a realist. "Too offensive" and "too easily offended" sounds great but how do you enforce that? What are the limits? Isn't it an amorphous thing?

    This is actually a problem I've had before. I make a post that I think is funny - no foul language, no offensive pictures. Maybe some innuendo. Right away several people are offended by it.

    Who's right and wrong there? Was I truly offensive? 5 out of 10 say no, they enjoyed my post.

    The other 5 scream bloody murder.

    It's a tough call to make, I know. Either way, someone isn't going to be happy, and I see this happening more frequently on forum all over the 'Net.

    I don't think there IS any solution, because you're dealing with human nature.
     
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  2. Ken Anderson

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    It's not just on the Internet. People have made a profession out of being easily offended. So far, we haven't seen a lot of it here. I wish that people would look at it this way. You might live next door to someone who you don't particularly like. In most cases, however, there is no call to bring in the police or to evict someone from their home just because their neighbor isn't comfortable with them. But, in some cases, there might be. In the case of the forum, I suppose I would have to make that decision. Before it got to that point though, I would suggest, to those who are offended, that they simply ignore the member who is offending them. They can do this by just not responding to the offender's posts or by using the forum's ignore feature. In the past, I have had someone leave because I wouldn't ban someone who they wanted me to ban. Sometimes, people who are too easily offended are more offensive than the person they're complaining about. I am unlikely to let myself get into a situation where I think I need a set of rules that could compete with the IRS code, as that wouldn't be any fun for me.
     
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  3. Sifu Phil Bonifonte

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    Excellent response, Ken - thank you.
     
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  4. Ken Anderson

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    I think it's been mentioned but it warrants repeating, the most effective thing that someone could do for the forum is to recommend it to your eligible friends. Not only would we have new members, but they would already be familiar with at least someone here. Linking to the forum from your web sites, blogs, and social media helps too, but the smoothest way to grow is by word of mouth.
     
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  5. Ken Anderson

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    I haven't played them lately but I know that the games can be fun, as can the photo threads. However, I beg you not to let the conversational parts of the forum go fallow, for they are by far the most important part of any forum. When I get a chance I am going to set the game sections so that they don't show when someone click "New Posts" since they are all in one place, so gamers can easily find those with new posts, since they'll still be highlighted when there are new posts. By all means, do play the games if you enjoy them, but please participate in conversations as well.
     
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  6. Terry Page

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    Thanks Ken that will help as I have missed some threads because of all the pages of game posts that outnumber them, I play games sometimes but as you say they are all in the one section anyway so easy to find.
     
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  7. Ken N Louis

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    Thanks Ken....This is one reason I am not as active here...I view the Forum without being logged in and have to scroll through the games threads..
     
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  8. Ken Anderson

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    I'm not home right now but will get to it when I get home.
     
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  9. Avigail David

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    Tough luck to the boo-hoo overly dramatic and sensitive PC culture. Enjoy SeniorsClub while we can.
     
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  10. Ken Anderson

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    To pop this thread up again (if you haven't read through it, please do), I thought I'd repeat some of what I said before, only using some different words. More than anything, what any forum most needs is words, and not just words, but words that are part of conversations between people. The pictures, the comics, the jokes and the games are fine, in that they entertain people, and I don't have a problem with that. But what the forum really needs is more words.

    Tell us what's important to you. Tell us about your childhood, your family, church, or the schools you have attended. How different did your life turn out than you imagined it might be when you were younger? Tell us about your home town or other places that you have lived, or about jobs that you have held. Tell us about places you have visited, or those that you would like to visit one day. What do you like to do, and do you often get a chance to do it? What would you like to do, even if you never get a chance to do it?

    What movies have you seen lately, or in the past, that you have liked? What made you like them? What books have you read? Are you handy around the house?

    If you dare, you can always weigh in on the news or politics. That section of the forum tends to be US-centric, but there's no reason why you can't discuss the news and politics of whatever country you are living in. Which conspiracy theories make sense to you? On that one, keep in mind that the two words don't necessarily go together, in that not every conspiracy is a theory; many of them are real. Tell us about your dreams. I freely express my opinions in the Hot Button Issues part of the forum, but there is no reason for you to have to agree with me.

    In the world of search engine optimization, words might be thought of as spider food, and spiders are the bots that visit the forum from Google, Bing, and Yahoo. Although others visit as well, the Russian and Chinese ones probably bring more spammers and hackers than anything else, but the ones from Google, Bing and Yahoo are quite valuable. In short, the spiders index the words that are in the forum, then when someone does a search on words that have been used here, there is always a chance that our forum will come up as one of the results, and we might get a new visitor. Most new visitors never register for an account, but some do.

    Words are also the way in which we get to know one another.
     
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    Yes Ken I agree with all that, and what keeps me coming back here is that I am learning all the time from the mix of members you have here, I am a people person and find getting to know members both fascinating and rewarding. For me the plus with online forums is the fact that you interact with people, you would probably not come into contact with or approach in the real world.
     
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  12. Ken Anderson

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    Here's an idea. Each of us has lived at least fifty years, and some of us have several years on that. During this time, every one of us has learned something. It may not have made us rich, but we've learned something that made our lives easier, more productive, more fun, or more interesting. You may have learned it from someone else, read it in a book, or seen it in a film. You may have thought it up all by yourself or made adaptations to something you've learned elsewhere.

    Take a moment, and try to think of something that you have learned that you could share with the rest of us, then start a thread on that subject, giving it a title that is descriptive of the topic. I'm not talking about finding a do-it-yourself site or a video online and posting a link to it, but something in your own words and from your own experiences. There's nothing wrong with linking to something that you've found helpful but your own words are the most valuable.

    Others might ask questions or offer other suggestions. If the latter, please don't take any new suggestions as putting down your own because, quite frankly, there is usually more than one good way to do most everything and, while something may work best for me, something else might be a better choice for someone else, but your idea might the best one for yet another person. Either way, we're all enriched by the discussion, and of course the forum greatly benefits.
     
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    You are absolutely right about enriching discussions at SeniorsClub Only. My latest comment didn't contribute much, with only a few words punched in there. So, I apologize for not delving deeper into the subject at hand.

    I'm guilty of inactivity at SCO since the Christmas holidays until to date. I've been into politics (following up) with Fox News since the Donald Trump Presidential announcement 2016 last June. Before that, I've been looking, faithfully, at the news from: The Times of Israel and Blogs, Truth Revolt and some of Bill Whittle and Andrew Klavan's political commentaries, opinions and satirism (a word I just made up). Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, I've just added to my list. And Coulter's latest book, Adios America! sounds like my next in the book list to read.

    Since February 1st, school has started here at home. So, before that commencement, I needed to organize our lessons and reading materials. I found out about Charlotte Mason's methods and ideas of teaching and enjoying at the same time. And later, mainlessons, the James Baldwin Project.

    I've included the classics such as, History (American revolution), Shakespeare and Plutarch into our library and dinner table study periods. Lately, the Athenian law in which Shakespeare's playwrights was at the center stage regarding the love "craze" between Hermia and Lysander. Of course, Athenian law did not allow girls to enjoy that freedom to marry whomever they loved, but were forced by law to marry the men of their fathers' choices. Today, I will read to them Aeneid for Boys and Girls.

    I used the lesson and the rich archaic Shakespearean English as our talking points regarding politics:p (oh, yeah, my favorite), grammar, differing points of view-- social issues (my children felt 'shouting and annoyed' at the 'stupid' law), and spelling. Math is a difficult one for me. So, I allot time understanding and studying Math lessons more :).

    I've had two grandchildren born in January and February. So, that has been very exciting for my two beautiful daughters. And I'm over the moon with my newest grandchildren!

    I've tried to resurrect a two-year old blog site, in which, I'm not doing very well. I've started a draft for a dream-book novel, in which I haven't gone very far. But more to come, time allowing me, to visit other topics in the SCO forums.

    I always love it here, at Seniors Club Only! :)
     
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  14. Chrissy Cross

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    I guess I feel differently about forums. I join a forum not for information about anything, I can look that up myself.

    I join for a feeling of community and having some fun and making some friends. If a post is too long and by someone I don't even know I probably won't read it. I also won't post a long essay, didn't like doing it in school and I still don't like it. Although I joined her in August, I didn't post for months because all I saw were very long posts
    That made my eyes glaze over.

    Maybe this isnt the place for me that I hoped it was. I'm starting to feel guilty about having fun on here. :(
     
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    I feel the same as you Chrissy, I avoid very long posts and subjects that are too serious, or of no interest to me and my few remaining marbles, life is just too short.
    However I don't feel guilty, that must be your Catholic gene :rolleyes:

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    Forums by their very nature have to have a mix of everything, some serious some fun...I like it all..but if there's a thread that doesn't interest me after I've read the opening post then I don't return to it. I like all posts short or long...so long as the long ones are not the length of a book, and are laid out in paragraphs then they're easy to read.

    That said... I do believe that ken is looking for more of a variety of topic headings instead of the same threads being posted on in a loop...

    It's a little difficult with such a low membership level..and also the site has many varying topic headings, but not everything is available at least to me on new posts..or even watched threads..so it's not always easy to see new threads and topics.

    I joined this forum because number one the people on here are by and large very friendly and supportive..I have no time for anger and cliques ..and I've never seen that here..thank the Lord. Admin is also extremely impartial from what I've seen so far, and willing to allow extreme differences of opinions between posters, and even with admin himself... without resorting to the suspension or banning button..again so refreshing from a chat forum.

    I love this forum...I can't think of a nicer bunch of people and I've used forums for many, many years....I just think you have to find your own niche as a member and stick with it..
     
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  17. Chrissy Cross

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    I love the people on here too, Holly. I come here for fun and to see friends. Guess I panic when I hear the words long posts. :)
     
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    That's funny, as I've got that too. And here I thought I was the only one.
    I've been afflicted with the Short Attention Span syndrome for a long time...:D
     
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    I will write a paragraph at the most. Most important info can be revealed in that. Then as the thread progresses, more info can be revealed and even remembered. That is what appeals to me anyway, all the different posts added to an original post. Sometimes even a little off track.:)

    I see a very long post and I just stare at it and think what the heck can I add to that!
     
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    Maybe some punctuation ;)
     
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    @Ken Anderson, don't get me wrong Im not saying a few longer posts aren't okay, sometimes they are called for but just to add words to make it long isn't necessary either.

    I joined here because it's a forum for seniors, not a forum for writers ....there are plenty of those.
     
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    Words are valuable for sure and I understand their importance with bots and spiders, but I must say, I've learned a lot from videos people have posted too, not to mention the enjoyment, laughter, and smiles I receive from humorous stuff (laughter and smiling are medicine for the soul as we all know). When I post a video, I try to remember to say something about it first or at least introduce it.

    Sometimes people are tired or hurting, stressed, or depressed when they come here…they just want to be fed light hearted things or listen to some of the incredible music choices people have posted here. Without that pleasure, and an imbalance of serious stuff, I probably wouldn't be here because I'm kind of a visual learner and I also need smiles everyday….a lot :):):):):)

    Maybe I shouldn't have revealed that.
    Now everyone is going to get all serious so I'll just leave already:D
     
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    I do not think that Ken was suggesting that we have to write posts of any certain length, @Chrissy Page . Some of us are just naturally more "wordy" when we write than others are. It would be hard for me to write posts that we only a sentence or so long, at least most of the time. (Maybe I am just a " Virtual Chatterbox"? )
    Sometimes, we have to say more in order to get across the message we are writing, and sometimes, we only need a couple of words to do that. Just like in regular conversation.
    Truthfully, I do not like reading posts that just go on forever, either, even though I sometimes write some of them. I try to hit a happy medium between rambling on about something, and not saying enough that people know what I am talking about.
    Oh, dear.....here I go again.........
     
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    That's not too long, Yvonne! :) just right.
     
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    I agree with all that's been said regarding long-winded posts. Paragraphs and white space help immensely!!

    I too enjoy this forum for the friendships, fun, laughs and creativeness here. :)
     
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