Was The Moon Landing Hoaxed or Not , What Do You Think?

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    When the moon landings actually were first taking place (or maybe supposed to be taking place), no one really doubted that it was actually happening.
    In the years since then , however, this has been a greatly debated topic, and no one is sure, even this day, whether they really happened or not. Even some of the astronauts have said things that make it sound like they know it was a fake; but they were sworn to secrecy.
    One of the first things that I saw was the "Coke bottle" picture, where it really looks like there is a CocaCola bottle lying on the ground in one of the pictures.
    Since then, I have watched other videos and listened to people who believe it was real, and some that thought it was faked.
    Here is an interesting video that shows some of the reason that researchers think that the landing might have been a hoax.
    Watch it and see what you think......

     
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    The Chinese had an unmanned moon mission just a year or two ago and the photos sent back by their moon rover looked almost the same as those early images from the moon. Unless the Chinese mission was faked too, it proved that those first moon pictures were genuine.

    I think if it had been a hoax the US government would have created better quality images than those shakey shots we all watched coming live from the moon.
     
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    One of the first pictures that they show in the video is of the landing on the moon, and showing that there is no disruption of the ground. That is what they are looking at on that scene.
    However, if you look at the left side of the photo, there are two lights shining that look like they could be from a film studio. Since they even said that the only light which would be visible from the moon is the sun (logical that) ; where are the two lights coming from ?

    Another interesting photo was the one where it shows the exact same landscape with the moon rover on one, and not on the other; but with the exact same background.
    I think that what has always seemed strange is why we could manage to send men to the moon over 40 years ago, but can't do it now, with all of our new technology.
     
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    One of the things I wonder about when those "hoax" videos start circulating is how do we know the "hoax" video wasn't hoaxed? With the technology available now it's much easier to fake anything on a video than it was during the moon landing era. There have to be hundreds of UFO sighting videos on Youtube that look very convincing, but are simple CGI. With the very good CGI software available to even elementary school students these days it's getting more difficult to take videos as proof of anything unless you have a complete record of the chain of custody of the original video. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that there was a moon landing, however just maybe the official video was tweaked by NASA and Hollywood to achieve greater effect.
     
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    I don't think it's a case of not being able to do it. It's more a case of priorities. Once a few missions had been to the moon, people realised that there was nothing to be gained from future visits to the moon, so they started looking for other more important things to do in space.
     
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    I have heard the back and forth on this one, too; but could honestly never figure a good enough reason for the moon landing to have been faked. There just isn't one, in my opinion, and I have no problem believing the moon landing was real.

    I have wondered, though, why it seemed so important to walk on the moon at the time and then not so much later. I suppose it's like Michelle said. It's just a case of priorities.
     
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    I also wondered why we never went back to the moon after the first visit. It never crossed my mind that the trip to the moon was not real.
     
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    The other end of the pendulum on this theory is just as far out the other direction. There are people who believe that we did actually go to the moon many years ago, and that we have been going back since then, and that there is actually an outpost on the dark side of the moon where it can't be seen. They think that it is a government secret; and that is why we just stopped hearing about it.
    Allie, the reason I have read for faking the moon landing was because the russians had put up their "Sputnik" satellite ahead of America doing that , and our government did not want Russia getting to the moon ahead of us; so it had to at least appear to have happened, whether real or not.
    It seems like there are credible people with the idea that we did actually go there, and also some pretty credible ones that think we did not; so we will probably never actually know the truth for sure; but it is an interesting topic to discuss.

    And, of course, there is also the theory that the moon is not real at all, and is a hollow manmade satellite from an earlier civilization......
     
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    Yeah, I've heard about Russia, Sputnik and the whole space race thing, too, but it doesn't make sense as a reason to fool the American people, much less the world. At least, it doesn't to me and never did. As far as the moon conspiracies go, I find the one you just mentioned about the outpost on the dark side to be more believable. Although I can't say that I believe it, either.

    And I really like the one about the moon not being real at all.:)

    At the moment I am remembering that I was in third grade watching on tv in class when Neil Armstrong either walked on the moon or pretended to do it in Arkansas. I really do believe it was the moon, but I have never yet figured out why anyone would want to go there. My first husband would grab a ticket in a heartbeat, though. To each his own, I guess.

    I like things just fine right here. Even with all the troubles we seem to have as a world.:)
     
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    Some people just have more sense of adventure than others and going where nobody has been before would definitely be a thrill to some, so on some level I can understand the desire to visit the moon. What I can't understand is all the people who have applied to go on the first manned trip to Mars, given the fact that they will be booking a one way ticket. An adventure is fine, but saying goodbye to your family and friends, knowing that there's no chance you'll ever see them again? That's truly beyond my comprehension.
     
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    lol...I agree with you, Michelle. Some people do have more of a sense of adventure than others. I count myself among them but would like for my adventures to remain within the earth's atmosphere. Inner space is all the space travel I need to do in order to be happy.:)

    As far as leaving on a one way trip for Mars, I know it's not fair but my first reaction is, "What are these people running from?":)
     
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    I never thought of it that way, but in some cases you're probably right. I doubt that applies to all of them though.
     
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    As I said, it's not a fair assumption. It's just the first thing I thought of.:)
     
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    I think the moon landing did happen but was all the flim footage from the actual landing itself. This is just my theory mind you but I think due to the fact that this was the late 1960's it was hard to get good actual pictures from the moon itself. So NASA had a back up plan a sound stage where interactions would be filmed to make it look like its coming from the moon. Now as I said this is just my theory, but I think that this is feesible because some feel the footage looks fake, well what if it is, but the moon landing still happened none the less. I just can't see the Astronauts or some of those involved in the moon landing allowing the cover up to go on for all these years if the moon landing didn't happen. So, I think it did happen, but some of the footage that supposedly happened on the moon didn't happen there, because the reception wasn't as good as some might have hoped, so NASA staged it. Again, my theory and I could be wrong.
     
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    My father, who was a scientist (genius, in fact), claimed it was totally true. So with that, and other projects he was involved with i.e. transporting guinea pigs at JPL (a la Star Trek), I have no reason not to believe it.
     
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    "Energize"!
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    I believe it was a little more sophisticated than that, Joe! The first one they never recovered but the second lasted about two or three hours and then died.
     
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    You may remember Laika the Russian dog that was sent into space on Sputnik 2. At the time a much heralded feat which paved the way for human space travel.

    At the time I did not believe what was said about the dog and it's suffering was eventually admitted. I am all for advancement, but believe due to the Space race between Russia/America at that time, much was done that was unethical.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2367681.stm
     
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    The plot thickens. As it turns out, the moon rock that was given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin in 1969 is actually petrified wood. Read the story here.
     
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    My guess is that this one (of four) "moon rock" rice size particle specimen was misidentified as coming from the Apollo 1 mission.

    "An investigation showed that United States Ambassador J. William Middendorf II had presented Drees with the "moon rock" on October 9, 1969. The Apollo 11 astronauts were visiting the Netherlands at that time on a goodwill tour. Drees' grandson speculates that his grandfather formed the mistaken impression that the "moon rock" he received was from the Apollo 11 mission. When Drees' "moon rock" was received by the Rijksmuseum in 1992, the museum phoned NASA to verify its provenance and was told over the phone, without seeing the piece, that it was "possible" it was a Moon rock"..

    The Apollo 11 crew visited 24 countries over 37 days, between 9/29/69 and 11/05/69.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_lunar_sample_displays
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    This is very sad. It is difficult enough getting people to respect the advances of science without red herrings like this to cloud the issues.
    Some scientists share in such bizarre hoaxes. For example, the now infamous "Piltdown man" skeleton, supposedly an ancestor of modern man, was nothing but a paleoanthropological hoax. How a scientist can live with himself after perpetrating such a fraud is beyond me.

    Moon rock is different to any Earth rock. It's older. Much older, and the age is relatively simple to measure at any university. Why Armstrong or Aldrin would perpetrate such a hoax I cannot imagine, but the hoax does immense damage. Perhaps they were unwitting accomplices in this?

    Many people, instead of applying the scientific method to determine whether Armstrong walked on the moon,prefer to apply a judicial principle:
    That particular moon rock is fake, therefore the entire story must be rejected.
    In court this may be a legal reason to reject all testimony from a particular witness, but nobody can claim that EVERYTHING the witness said was false.​

    Fortunately there are many ways to prove that man was on the moon. For example, mirrors placed on the moon in 1969 were immediately used by institutions with suitable lasers to measure, for the first time, the distance from the Earth to the Moon, within a few inches. All those people; technicians, professors, thousands of students, must now all be part of the hoax. It quickly becomes far simpler to just go to the moon, than to create a hoax involving so many people.

    But the fake moon rock remains embarrassing, adding fuel to the conspiracy theory.
     
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    I don't think these ceremonial presentation plaques were made by the astronauts, and the one in question was presented by the US ambassador, during their visit. I don't think it was intentional or any type of conspiracy. Working under time constraints, they did a sloppy job of putting them together, and these very small samples were handled and mislabeled by many people. I think we over analyze actions in the luxury of hindsight.
     
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    Someone accidentally identified petrified wood as a piece of a moon rock, and put it into a plaque?
     
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    This Apollo 11 Lunar Sample report was dated 1977. https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11SampleCat.pdf

    Neither NASA, nor the US Astronauts gave that rock to anyone. It was a US ambassador. All 135 Apollo Moon Rocks that were handed out to nations were very small and massed at 1.1 grams. This fake rock massed 89 grams! It was also glued to a piece of cardboard. The official Apollo Moon Rocks were encased in plastic globes.
     
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