Violent Crime Rates

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  1. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Veteran Member
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    This is an examination of actual crime reports, as recorded in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and makes comparisons with the violent crime rates in the UK, England and Wales.

     
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    Up to date FBI violent crime...https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-1

    I prefer to stick with just U.S. data, as comparisons to other countries are likely flawed as demographics vary greatly. Usually the issue with those comparisons is prejudiced towards advocating gun control and out homicide rate. Guns are about 2/3 of homicides, but removal of that data indicates we are a fairly violent bunch, as it doubles and triples the rate of other countries.

    Frequently, suicides are tossed into the gun debate, although some of these countries without guns have as high and sometimes much higher suicide rates. France's suicide rate surpasses the combined U.S. homicide/suicide rate. The U.K. rate is about even with the U.S. so the 33,000 gun deaths in the U.S. includes about 21,000~22,000 suicides. Typically, guns are the weapons in about 60% of homicides. (2013 as data point)

    It is well known that homicides in the U.S. are about 90% within each demographic group. However, the number of homicides within each of those demograpics varies enormously. Delving into the specifics can lead to a charged racial atmosphere. It is quite acceptable to lament the fact that nearly 40% of prison inmates are from a demographic of the population that is just 13%. It is quite acceptable to note that 90% of homicides are committed by and within each demographic group. It is considered extremely racist to point that 55% of homicides are committed by a demographic that makes up 13% of the population, or that 27% of all violent crimes falls within that demographic as well.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21
     
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    That is the point that he makes in the video because often our violent crime rates are compared with other countries in order to advance an anti-gun agenda. The larger point that he makes is that the vast majority of crime in the United States comes from specific neighborhoods within our larger cities, yet gun control laws do not address the problems that are contributing to this crime, given that these cities usually already have some pretty strong gun control laws. He doesn't mention race but the racial makeup of some of these neighborhoods may not be diverse.
     
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    We sure have our share of "gun violence" here, however it is narrowed down to a few certain areas. But, in listening to local news, which I'm not sure is good or bad, there are many people here that have a handgun in their vehicle and/or carry one as a concealed weapon. One thing a person doesn't want to do here is, get upset at someone and honk at them for doing something.

    We don't "conceal" or have one in our vehicle. .
     
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    The worst gun violence is in gun free areas. So if you are in a place where the people do not have guns you are more apt to be shot. They forget to put that in there reports. more people are in prisons in the US because a lot of jail/prisons are privately own and push the justice system to fill them for a profit.
     
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