Vatican Takes Refugees

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  1. Martin Alonzo

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    Pope Francis brings 12 Syrian refugees to Vatican I think they have to do it to stop people from saying you are not doing anything.




     
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    I applaud the pope for his compassionate stance.
     
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    yet he has his wall and tells us not to build ours. thought his job was sin not politics?
     
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    the Catholics i know wanted him to pack it in and go home
     
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    Hmm. Seems many Canadian Catholics feel diffently.
     
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    Speaking as a long-lapsed Catholic, I have to say I'm reasonably impressed by a lot of things Francis has said and done since he's been in the job. If he carries on much longer, he'll be in danger of giving the Catholic Church a good name.

    Isn't it just so heartwarming to see the caring compassion been given by some people to those who must be desolate?
     
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    I tend to agree that the papal duty is to tend to his flock. I wonder how these Muslim people will feel surrounded by these elaborate Christian trappings.
     
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    In my opinion whatever your views on the Pope, the Vatican, the Catholic church and religion in general, the symbolic gesture that the Pope made, is to remind us all of a first Christian principle, showing compassion to fellow humans in distress, and is to be applauded.

    I am not a Christian but I broadly agree with Christian principles, which are largely humanitarian, and feel that any true Christian would agree with this gesture the Pope has made.

    In my opinion making offensive remarks about the Pope is both rude, and disrespectful to followers of the Catholic religion.
     
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    You can bet your paycheck the pope's refugees were super screened first, not like the ones we would get.
     
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    I always liked Pope Benedict. :)
     
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    This is what my thoughts are, too. We have all seen the pictures and videos of the supposed refugees that are mainly muscular young males who in no way look like a refugee.
    Since the controlled-news media wants to make their point, anytime they show this on the news, they will do like the ones "taken in" by the Vatican, and be sure that there are women and children and not men.
    Many have suggested that making a safe place for refugees in their own part of the world would work better, and this seems like a good plan to me as well.
    This comes back to the overpopulation issue, which I believe we have discussed before. These countries get overpopulated, and then there is no way for the people to grow enough food; so the resst of the world (think US) sends supplies to keep people from starving.
    This keeps people alive , and then they reproduce, and the population continues to grow, so we have to send even more food as that happens.
    Finally, we get to the place where it becomes unfeasable to supply food for all those people, and then they want to go elsewhere, which is part of the problem we have right now.
     
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    Surely rich Saudia Arabia should offer some help.
     
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    its a bad idea. when the terrorists see these Muslims associating with this infidel pope they'll hunt em down and kill em all. that's what happened when Obama went to the ME and delivered his speech of peace. after he left it was a blood bath
     
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    I think Pope Benedict made a humanitarian and Christian gesture of helping these people in need. I guess sometimes people see what they want to see. I am not Catholic, but I do like and respect this Pope and his efforts.
     
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    I have no doubt that the two refugee families who were accepted into the Vatican were screened at least as well as someone being nominated for a cabinet position. I am not Catholic so I have no strong opinion on the actions of the Pope. He seems to be saying the opposite of that which is suggested in Proverbs 3:5-6, which says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding." That's something for Catholics to work out but I don't think I would continue attending a church whose pastor told me that if it feels good, I should do it. Someone else said something similar once, but I don't think it was from behind a pulpit.

    But the topic of this thread is about the refugees he has taken in. I wouldn't equate the Vatican taking in two heavily vetted refugee families with the Pope's insistence that the rest of us take in hundreds of thousands of the ones he wouldn't take in.

    In largely every other issue, we are told, here in the United States, that we should have separation of church and state. In light of this, his opinions about whether or not our government takes in refugees should be fully ignored by those who represent us. Our business is not his, and his opinion should hold no weight on our nation.
     
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    [QUOTE="Ken Anderson, post: 73907, member: 2"roverbs 3:5-6, which says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding."

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    If this is the case then true Christians should follow:

    "Psalm 82:4
    Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."

    Without using their own understanding from the bias of the media or the government, this would apply to these refugees surely?
     
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    The bible suggests a lot of things..and it's true Christians endlessly debate but the following verse to me is the bottom line. I don't necessarily agree the United States should take in millions of refugees..but I understand his concern and empathy for the true victims of war.

    I think it's important to treat each other with kindness and caring. I'm glad we live in a country where church and state are separate. I don't view the Pope as Catholics do...but so what..I respect their right to believe as they choose and we do agree on many things.

    I honestly don't think our leaders here are going to take his political advice..or any from the Dali Lama as far as that goes.

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    I think we should be a bit wary of taking literal interpretations of anything in any versions of the bible. Let's take the fourth commandment about graven images, for example. If this had been followed literally, there would be precious little medieval art left to enjoy.
     
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    That was for people, not governments.
     
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    I can see where lapsed Catholics might love the new Pope. Pretty much, he is telling Catholics that they don't have to worry about any of that stuff in the Bible. As long as it doesn't sting their conscience, they are good to go as far as the Church is concerned. If God speaks directly to the Pope, I wonder why he changes his mind so often. Just as he decided how many and which refugees to take into the Vatican, we are left to decide how many and which we take in here, and I don't think we should take any in that have not been properly screened, and we shouldn't take any in that are unlikely to serve a good purpose here.
     
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    well if you think the sunshine blows out his ears so be it. but not me. im not about to sit out there and have some Priest tell me how to worship god and be a good Christian, then 2 hours later find him at Joe blows bar and grill drunk on his ass. can you say hypocrite?? and this child molestation scandal makes me wanna beat the crap out of someone. can you say pedophile??? how do they get away with that one??
    no church or religion is perfect and each worships god in they're own way but is it to much to ask practice what you preach??

    Inside the Vatican: pornography, drugs and money laundering – spin this Pope Francis

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    That is probably true but it's true for most clergy also. Look at Tammy Faye and her husband and Jimmy Swaggart.

    Talk about ripping people off big time. Anybody can get a preacher degree online, I could too.

    Then ask for donations and spend it on myself.
     
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    I am sure that the pope didn't choose two refugee families at random. It is far easier to screen two families than two hundred thousand, and it's a lot easier to keep track of a few people as opposed to hundreds of thousands. Maybe the United States should follow his example and take in two well screened refugee families, and then keep close track of them.
     
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    he can have em all. Obama want's at least 10,000 a year here. young males mostly 18-24 year old. military serving age. documentation really makes no diff. ISIS and Al-Qaeda are much better now at forgery. in fact they have caught many of these killers trying to enter with these Syrian refugees
     
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    Yes... I can't, @Gary Ridenour ... I really truly can't understand why the "we have to hug everyone and open the borders" people don't know this... or maybe don't process it. Of course we need to be kind to the needy. Of course we can't turn REAL requests down if someone wants to live here. But the mindset that has a lock-down at "let 'em in" without looking at the facts and the data of what exactly " 'em " is that they want to let in... is maddening.

    I could, however, go along with @Tom Jordan 's idea... two families. ;)
     
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