Twenty Dead In Texas Church Shooting

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  1. Cody Fousnaugh

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    We have never been to a church that had a fully uniformed officer in the congregation, until we moved here. He was a motorcycle officer and was also in a Bible Study we were in. We had never seen anyone/anywhere carrying a weapon on them inside a church.
     
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    So hard not to be heavy hearted with all the news about the church shooting. It does not matter,where, or whom, or how -anything of this magnitude
    can be very stressful and overwhelming even for the general public.
    Seems as a nation was just trying to wrap our heads around the Las Vegas shooting, and now another massacre takes over. I can not but feel this will become commonplace. There is no safe place to go or hide. At one time, when crime became bad in area, especially large cities, one would pack up and move to a smaller quieter place to live. Well, that desire has been extinguished.
    Hate is the biggest killer of all.
     
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    Concerning having a concealed weapon.......a woman in Colorado Springs, CO, who, 10 years ago, stopped a gunman who had opened fired on a church's parking lot there. Two sister's were killed. At the time, the woman was a police officer and volunteering as a security guard for the church that day. She heard the shots, stepped out into the parking lot and announced she was a police officer and "drop you weapon". The man turned around and pointed his AR15 at her and, before the guy could pull the trigger, she fired the first five rounds very rapidly and knocked him on his back. This happened in 2007.

    To everyone she was a hero, but she states that "there's a difference between carrying a gun and knowing how to use it in an active shooter situation. I believe in the Second Amendment, I also believe in putting trained people in place, because, just like the Walmart situation (shooting in Thornton, CO) there were some people that were armed in the store, but they didn't know what to do."

    She thanks the Lord for her training and that she able to stop the guy from entering the church and more casualties could have happened.

    So, the key word in this story is........training! People can carry a concealed weapon, but when it comes down to actually pulling the gun out of the holster, pulling the trigger/shooting someone, could they do it?
     
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    I don't think I've ever seen someone besides a police officer with a gun..except my husband. I just don't pay attention.

    I don't have very strong feelings about either side of the gun issue. It's one of those things that I can live with whatever the law.

    So, what I'm trying to say is I'm neither pro or anti gun.
     
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    Gloria, just because it happened in this small town, doesn't mean that every small town isn't safe to live in. There are small towns in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas and other states, that are very safe to live in.
    The Sheriff of this town still doesn't believe this was a random shooting. The shooter somehow knew the church and made it his target.
     
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    Unless a person is a hunter or going to a range, most likely they would never see a concealed weapon on a person. That is why they call it "concealed". OTOH, there are areas of the U.S. where "open carry" is totally legal. In that, you would definitely see the holster and gun.
     
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    I probably have been in some open carry states but just haven't seen any, maybe because im not looking.

    I'm thinking in Indiana my husband had open carry, just a vague memory though
     
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    It was a 'generalization' Cody. And, yes there are still many safer places to live- for now. The fact remains- in my eyes, that times, people, and places have changed and the past -even yesterday- will never be the same.
     
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    Here in Houston, clergymen are being offered free training by professionals. In my own neighborhood two officers that live here, have offered two help with the training for free too. Even some of the gun ranges are offering their services for free as well.

    I’ve used guns since I was around 9 or 10, and I go to the gun range at least every other months, but I am thinking of taking the advanced glasses they offer. I never wish to have to do such a thing as draw a gun on anyone, but I would feel worse if I just let something like what happened in that church happen if I had the chance to stop it.

    Other than you guys on this forum and a couple of family members, NO one even knows I have a gun, and so far, other than traveling long distances, I leave my gun at home.
     
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    I don't have a gun. My husband had guns and so did my ex.

    I wasn't comfortable with my ex having one though...had one bad experience with him when he got drunk that scared the crap out of me.

    Alcohol and guns don't mix well in my opinion.
     
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    Well, having one, and being able to actually shoot someone, can be two very different things.

    We love target shooting and keep ours locked in a gun cabinet. If we ever needed one, we’d have to get the keys, unlock the cabinet and go from there.

    Could either of us actually shot someone, we just don’t know. However, I think I’d be much less scared to do it than my wife.
     
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    Yea, if I had a gun...I don't know if I could kill an intruder unless I knew for sure I'd die if I didn't shoot first.

    I'd hate to have killed someone who was just going to rob me...
     
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    I might get holloered at for this post, but this is the way my grandmother put it to me.

    If you are somewhere by yourself or with others, and all of the sudden someone becomes a threat to one of you, to the point that you “KNOW” that one of you will be dead or dying within seconds, and you do have a way of changing that outcome, what will you do?

    I know it’s a lot more complicated than that, but it made the answer much simpler for me.
     
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    My brother could, without thinking twice, but he is also “mancho” in some ways. He has already told me he could and I truly believe him.

    We have a friend, who served in the infantry in Vietnam and he has told me he could definitely shoot. But, then again, he done his share killing the enemy in Nam.

    To protect my wife and I, I’m fairly sure I could. Ok, I could!
    My wife, doubt she could, but if put in the situation, I think she could.

    And, no matter if a person is going to harm me or just rob me, with gun in-hand, I shoot! End of story.
     
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    That video is a bit odd...because tho he may have helped he is not the guy being called a hero in the incident...but another guy. Will watch the news at noon see if something has changed.
     
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    I don't care who threatens your life or others....if you have a way ...take'em out pronto! I have no interest in guns or any weaponry...but point a gun at me or anyone around me at the at time...you gonna meet your maker...and no remorse !
     
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    Not me...if your enter my domain and your intentions are to rob me ....I am going to cold cock your happy ass with my iron skillet...and dont give a rats ass if you make it or not:p
     
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    My possessions aren't that important...I'd probably tell ya take more...I'm downsizing. :)
     
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    Of course if you threaten my family, I'll kill you twice...just to make sure you're dead.
     
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    I have a huge knife under my bed. :)
     
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    In Maine, we can carry open or concealed without a permit. Since they changed the law to allow concealed carry without a permit, it has become fairly uncommon to see someone carrying a handgun because most people prefer to carry concealed, but a lot of people carry. Why make a spectacle of yourself? In southern Maine, where all the liberals live, someone would be likely to call the police if they saw someone with a handgun, probably because they like to make things uncomfortable for those who carry but, north of Bangor, few people would think very much about it, except maybe to wonder why they chose to open carry rather than conceal their weapon.

    I don't really worry much about needing a gun here in Maine, though. Where having a gun would make me feel more comfortable would be when I am traveling out of state, but then I'd have to worry about gun permit laws in each state that I go through. Maine has agreements with some other New England states that will honor a Maine carry permit, but I still couldn't travel from here to Virginia without going through a state where it would be against the law, at least not unless I went way out of my way.

    I would expect that in the typical church service north of Bangor, there would be a good chance that someone there would be packing, although you wouldn't know it unless there was a reason to pull it out. Concealed carry holsters are really pretty good at concealing.
     
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    The concealing holsters need to better for the ladies @Ken Anderson. Now believe it or not, that is a money making idea, but I’m not a designer. :(
     
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    They let women carry guns? Maybe we do need some common sense gun control.
    ;)
     
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    @Ina I. Wonder
    That type of holster has been around forever, Ina. It's called a "purse".
    Frank
     
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