Trump's Immigration Ban Court Fight

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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    Im surprised nobody has posted about the latest appeals court decision against his proposed travel ban.

    What will happen next? What's the next step for Trump? I don't ha e a link but I'm guessing you all know what I'm talking about....I was waiting to see someone post about it but either I'm missing it or nobody has.

    In my opinion I think Trump should have worded it better in the first place and it should have not caused so much chaos at airports for legit immigrants. That all just made it look bad and gave the liberals ammunition.
     
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    Appeals Court Keeps Doors Open! Rules Against Trump
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    10 FEBRUARY, 2017

    A federal appeals court unanimously refused to reinstate President Donald Trump’s ban on travel from seven Muslim-majority countries, issuing a sharp rebuke in a ruling likely destined for the U.S. Supreme Court. Trump was defiant, tweeting 26 minutes later, “SEE YOU IN COURT. THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!” He told White House reporters the decision was “political.”



    The 29-page ruling from a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals concluded roundly that the government failed to make its case that a temporary freeze on the ban should be lifted, and called into question presidential power to limit immigration in the way Trump did. Joe Scarborough of MSNBC reported Friday, citing unidentified sources, that the White House is working on a new executive order with more specific language. READ MORE

    The problem I see is that things can be hung up in Courts forever! If one Court says one thing, another Court can say something different and Trump can't control that. And they can also take as much time as they want reaching a decision. Maybe the those Judges that hate Trump think they can bounce this "ball" back and forth until Trump is out of Office.

    Personally I think that would be a bad mistake since it would allow many terrorists in to cause much destruction here in America. It would also prove how bad our Judicial system has become and that might be a good thing.
     
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    Yes, a terrorist attack would be in his favor now and didn't know that's a terrible thing to say and I don't wish for that but it could happen.

    It all gets so complicated ...it wears me out just thinking about it, I really don't know how he does it at his age...he could be spending his money and enjoying life without headaches.
     
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    I have to agree that Trump cares about America and to get of those that didn't care and try to undo the damage they did. I don't know how far he will get in this, but I definitely give him an "A+" for effort!

    And no matter who says America is not in trouble....we are!
     
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    Terrorists are already here in America...all they are waiting on is their instructions as to when they are to attack.
     
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    He lost me with the appeals of the court rulings. There is nothing in the constitution that places the Judicial Branch over the Administrative Branch, and especially not a federal district court. By appealing, I thought he was unnecessarily subjecting his authority to the court system. He should have just ignored the lower court rulings.

    Yes, that's been done before.

    In 1942, a group of Germans landed in Florida and Long Island, and were accused of being saboteurs. An appeal was made to the Supreme Court to prevent their execution. Roosevelt said, "They will be tried in a military court, and they will be executed. It should happen within three weeks, and tell the Supreme Court that if they issue a writ of habeas corpus, I will not honor it, and therefore they should not issue it. I am the commander in chief. They aren't."

    In recent years, presidents have held themselves accountable to the Supreme Court, but that was not the case previously, and wasn't intended to be the case.

    The three branches of government were created as co-equal branches, neither being subject to the other.

    Another president, I don't remember who, said, of a Supreme Court ruling that he disagreed with, "Let them enforce it."

    Abraham Lincoln said, "Supreme Court opinions are entitled to very high respect and consideration in all parallel cases, but are ultimately limited to the parties to a suit as to the object of that suit."

    Lincoln made these remarks as part of his First Inaugural Address, arguing that the government should not be bound by litigation to which it was not a party.

    By that, the current immigration question would be limited to the person for whom the suit was brought, and not to any other people coming from those countries.

    A University of Chicago law professor argued that President Obama should ignore a Supreme Court ruling, should the Court rule against him in a case known King v. Burwell, except for the four individuals who brought this particular lawsuit.

    Reason Magazine, a liberal publication, published an article last summer, when they assumed that Hillary Clinton would win the presidency, arguing that she was not obligated to recognize the Supreme Court's "People's United" ruling.

    I have never heard of a president being subject to a lower court ruling before.

    Of course, if Trump were to ignore even the lower court ruling, both Reason Magazine and this University of Chicago law professor would be calling for his impeachment.
     
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    I know that @Babs Hunt and anybody who thinks otherwise is living a lie. Right now though they are probably thinking what their best move is.

    @Ken Anderson ...who lost you? I don't understand your first sentence. How did he lose you?
     
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    I disagreed with Trump. By appealing the lower court ruling, he subjected himself to the lower courts, and I think that was a mistake. An argument can be made for the Supreme Court, but the president's order should remain in effect until the Supreme Court has ruled on it.
     
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    see you in court he said
     
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    That's what I thought, I don't think he did any of these moves without consulting some people. His knowledge is in business not law. I'm sure he knows more than the average person but still not enough.
     
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    In caps...on twitter...right?
     
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    He also does not have every one around him that he knows he can trust either. There are still so many who hate him that pretend to be backing him....it will take most of his first year in Office just to weed out these people.
     
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    Reince Priebus is one who he'd be better off without. The man is a snake in the grass.
     
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    I hope you have not changed your mind about Trump @Ken Anderson just because of this. As that would not be fair or giving him time to adjust to a world that he is just entering into.
     
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    No, of course not. I said I thought it was a mistake. It was a tactical error.
     
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    I can agree with that since that man flipped back and forth during the election cycle...sitting on the fence most times.
     
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    I've never seen a president do so much in such a short time, maybe he should slow down. I know he wants to prove that he can and will do what he said but they're all against him.

    Stupid distractions like Nordstrom pulling Ivankas line for their store, players from the Patriots not going to the whitehouse...all this negativity is making me sick. And these are always the headlines.
     
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    I think he will slow down now, especially since I think he is seeing he is not getting good council on some things. He will be more careful, but it will still take time to find out who needs to go and who should stay.
     
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    What worries me is that so many of the "powers that be" who don't want to be the "powers that were" are causing Trump as many problems as they can inside and outside the White House. Obama was a puppet so although it seemed he got no where sometimes, he was really getting exactly where those "in charge" wanted him to get. Trump is not a puppet and the elite and many others don't want him to succeed at all in any way, shape, or form. And they will do whatever it takes to stop him.
     
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    I agree with Trump - just think he handled it wrong
    He's rushing things through, fine - but some things need a little more time and judgement on how best
    to handle it
     
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    Such is the conundrum that is facing the American public.
    It would seem that the court system including the Supreme Court has re-identified themselves as law makers rather than interpreters of laws that have already been constitutionally approved.

    Whether in the case of immigration or even which branch picks up the tab for the first lady's tea and pastry party, the courts cannot supercede the voice of the president but CAN pass it's rulings back to congress for a re-boot so to speak.
    Even in the matter of Roe versus Wade, the supreme court could only rule on the petition on it's constitutionality but could not put the matter of abortion into law. That took congress and an approval of the president to finalize the law after the courts made their suggestions.
    Now, on the flip side, if the court system says that the president is not acting according to the rule of law as defined by the constitution then a stay of action can be instituted but again, a revision of the original proposition by congress should ensue.

    Sadly, the citizenry of the United States is so uneducated as to now believe that the ultimate powers within our political system happen to fall onto the court systems' backs and are willing to lay back and allow them to have that much power. Equally as sad but not very surprising is the fact that as long as the American people are willing to STAY uneducated, the political system is so wired that it will take advantage of that ignorance as far as they can.

    Your dog may know it's not right to poop in the living room but if you allow it to happen, the dog will take advantage of it time and again, and again.
     
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    The appeals court was asking questions about how many terrorist events have been perpetuated by people from the countries involved, and I'm thinking -- that's not their business. Their job, if they had any place in it at all, was to rule on the constitutionality of the order, not on its efficacy.
     
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    Seems anything goes and it's all anti Trump...sports, fashion, everything!
     
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