The Tale of the Question?

Discussion in 'Faith & Religion' started by Bobby Cole, Feb 5, 2015.

  1. Chrissy Cross

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    Not necessarily, the devil is a clever fellow and would allow you to walk away out of view.
     
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    There could have been a couple of "footpads" in hiding, ready to jump you while your attention was directed to the pump. There WERE robbers in Biblical times, you know! ;)
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    I would check Wikipedia before doing anything concerning pumps, and then watch a youtube video on alternative ways to prime a pump
     
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  4. Chrissy Cross

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    Lol, Terry, I should have done that too because I don't even know what priming a pump means. I've never used a water pump.
     
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    I guess you don't have much water in California to pump @Chrissy Page , but for future reference:

     
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    Oh, so you have to put water in the pump to make it work? I thought it came from the ground?

    It's all @Bobby Cole's fault. I might have answered differently. :)
     
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    Yes it wont work without priming, I am the same need priming with beer to produce anything :)
     
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    Getting back to the serious question of the thread, I personally trust the universe in my actions in life, so in a way though I don't believe in the biblical or any other god, I somehow accept an energy/force beyond my understanding................but in this particular case because my modus operandi is not to obey rules, I would probably drink the water.;)
     
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    King James Bible
    But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
     
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    Okay Terry, let's do take the Bible and God out of the equation and leave the universal force which might also leave the acts of Karma. Would not denying the instructions prevent the next sojourner the opportunity of life giving water? Bad Karma I would think.

    Note: As to the above post you made concerning beer: In my younger and more wooly days I would have gambled and gotten rid of the beer in the jug to prime the beer well just so I could have more and colder beer. :rolleyes:
     
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    @Chrissy Page . The water does come from a pipe driven deep int the ground. The water in the jug is generally enough to start the siphoning process that bring the water up from the deep water level. And if you use the water pump regularly the dirty sediment is pumped out,and the water runs clear unless the pump is left for a good while and the sediment collect again. Then you just have to reprime and run the water until it clears again.
     
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    Clarify understanding shallow-well pumps:

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    This kind of familiarly seen pump is known as a "lift-pump". It contains a chamber with holes at top and bottom, a cylinder, if you will, containing a piston which moves up and down as the pump handle is moved. The bottom hole of the cylinder is "capped" inside with a leather seal, which is hinged to flap upwards, opening the hole in the bottom of the cylinder, and flapped downwards, it closes, and seals the chamber above. The bottom of the chamber has a pipe extending downwards, as Ina said, clear down into the water below within the well.

    The chamber must be filled with water, in order for this pump to work. Normally, 0nce the chamber is manually filled with water, poured into the slot on top of the pump through which the piston rod operates, the pump stands ready to pump water up out of the well upon demand.

    Now, as that leather flap-valve ages and gets hardened, perhaps the sealing surface traps some crud, the flap no longer seals the chamber, and the water within it drains out, down into the well. If ALL of it drains out, the pump must be "PRIMED" with a bit of water from above, manually. It takes only a bit, several cupsful, not an entire chamber-full, and once the pump is operated, it lifts, first stroke, an amount from down in the well equal to that amount used for priming, then next stroke lifts double the amount, until it fills the chamber, and then successive strokes pour water from the spout in an amount equal to the chamber's volume, usually a quart or two.

    If that leather valve leaks slowly, (they almost always do), usually demand for water brings a thirsty user back before the chamber drains completely out, and a number of strokes will again produce flow out of the spout. If ALL the water drains out, priming water must be added. If the flap leaks badly, the priming water quickly leaks past it, down into the well, and the pump cannot work at all, until a new flap is installed. Here's a small pump, usually found mounted on a kitchen sink. We used one in our cabin in the woods:

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    You can envision operation: the space between the flapper and plunger is filled with water, and stroking the lever, causing the piston to move up and down, "raises", or lifts (hence the name lift-pump) the contained water and it pours from the spout. It should be mentioned that, lift pumps cannot "raise" water from a water level depth greater than about 20 feet, because atmospheric pressure upon the water surface within the well cannot "hold" a column of water within the pipe below the pump much higher than 20 feet.

    So, how then, do those old windmill-driven pumps we still see working in rural areas pump water from great depths, in arid areas where the water level is maybe 100 feet down? Thanks for reading my extended blurb. I grew up as a kid exposed to these manual pumps, and always marvelled at their simplicity!
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    I don't even remember ever seeing a water pump in my whole life, not even when I lived in Hungary those 6 yrs. I'm sure they had them in the rural areas. I've seen a few outhouses though.
     
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    Yes Bobby I guess I was half joking about not obeying the rules, I can't exactly say how I would respond on the spur of the moment, but I do as a general rule trust what life presents to me, reacting from instinct.
    I don't believe in Karma or that good deeds get you rewards, I accept life is unfair as another thread on here somewhere goes into in more depth.
    You perform an action in the universe and there is a reaction created by a multitude of variables, but no judgement or bias is involved.

    This post could get very long so I will shorten it by saying that I have no real beliefs or faith in anything particularly. I have an open mind to whatever comes my way and each day of my life my experience of consciousness can change.

    At this point in time I do accept that the brain is possibly the most complex organism in the known universe and we will never fully understand it.
    I also believe as part of it's survival mechanism the mind can create our experience of conscious life, in other words if we believe life is unfair and difficult, that is what we experience, if we believe in god or the devil and evil, we will experience it in our lives.

    I am also beginning to accept the idea that the mind is capable of creating and healing disease, additionally the possibility that there are connections between every atom in existence, which has been described as the glue of the universe, I like to think of this as love.

    I find all of this stuff fascinating and I anticipate that we will go on exploring the capabilities of the brain/mind, but will ultimately be limited by the brain attempting to understand itself and consciousness, similar to expecting a computer to experience itself through its software.

    I am also often reminded of the Voltaire quote “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.” that is of course taken out of context but it is I believe a truism

    On a lighter note if someone close to me comes up with a selfie taken with God, I will be open to reviewing my beliefs
     
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    On that same light note @Terry Page if I get to heaven before you leave this earth I am going to remember to bring my camera and ask God to take a Selfie with me so we can send it to you. :D
     
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    In that case Babs I would expect a personal delivery by an angel

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    Will do that @Terry Page

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