The Education System Is Making Kids Stupid

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  1. Beth Gallagher

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    "Boo hoo. Being a thief is going to make my life better." Justification for looting. Such tripe.
     
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    I know a lot of teachers and administrators, and they are all dedicated to the children they teach. I'm not sure how their productivity can be assessed except by testing to determine the success of their students.

    It's scary to see the shortage of teachers and it's getting worse. The dumbing down of America will continue as students are parked in front of computers to learn. Sadly, Texas teachers are relegated to the job of baby sitter for unruly, out-of-control children. A friend recently retired after 30 years as a kindergarten teacher because the kids were totally unmanageable, and her hands were effectively tied by all the threats of "child abuse, gender bullshit, blah, blah." Kids in her classroom would actually hit her or throw things without any repercussions at all. She had simply had enough and is in her early 50's.

    Remember when we were kids and the teacher had a ruler? We respected authority... what a concept. Who would have believed those were the "good old days."
     
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    I called my liberal sister's attention to this a couple days ago. She said it is true and now the teacher's union is up in arms.
     
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  4. Mary Stetler

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    I believe it is Missouri that just legalized 3 raps with a wooden tool to disrespectful students because they were becoming uncontrollable.
     
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    Well, that is a good way to make millionaires out of the parents of feral kids. I know I have a couple great grandkids my oldest is raising and my daughter use to get upset if I correct them. The kid was stomping my flower bed when he was 6 and I told him to stop, he stomped it again and I told him I get a switch. She got all defensive to the point that I had to tell her I'd whip his ass and hers too if she didn't like it. He is ok kid now almost 14.
    I just got off phone with her she is 54 today. It was a good conversation of course we've both grown up some in past 8 years.
    kids have too much power now a says. Both daughters are raising some of their grandkids. Sons 11 grandkids still with both parents.
    I think its just society.
     
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    Both adult and child societies have inconsistent discipline. You don't need to beat a kid or choke hold an adult. You need to have laws/rules that have consistent consequences carried out if they are broken.
     
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  7. Marie Mallery

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    Well sometimes all that doesn't work when they break all the rules. I seldom had to whip my kids or grandkids or great grands because they knew I would.
    I never had the luxury of making deals. If I got to hear a kid cry because they are being punished may as well give em something to cry about.:p But your right nobody should beat a child. I can say i never touch them with my hand too many switches around for that.
     
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    The better question might be how to evaluate a teacher without any bias and to that I have to admit that it would be a difficult hurdle to breach.

    If a school system’s propensity to evaluate a teacher’s ability can be connected to race rather than doing the math and observing the past performance, then it’s obvious that there’s going to be some heated debates.

    I have seen newer teachers who inspire their students and older teachers who seemed not to care if a student passed or didn’t and visa versa.
    Unions are, for the most part, a good thing but when tenure and in the case stated, race, makes one untouchable then it’s time for them to rethink their priorities and just do the math.
     
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    I agree about the unions they use to be a good thing before they got to be radicalized. I was a member UAW for over a year but that was in the early 70s.
    Lakewood and Doraville plants.
     
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    It’s off topic but I used to work for “lil Lenny from Albany at Lenny’s in Doraville.
     
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    And if all else failed, the guy sitting in the Principles office had an even bigger stick…….and used it ! Then after he was done, he made a call to the parents who had their own methods of handling their wayward sons.

    Now it’s: Send the kid to a psychiatrist and get him a scrip for some pills because Johnny is overactive and might have ADHD.
     
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    This is what I call child abuse for most of those kids.
     
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    I don't for one moment accept that the problem with the educational system is that we don't let them beat our kids anymore. My parents and teachers never struck me, and it's clear that I turned out pretty much perfect. Although it was rumored that my second-grade teacher was known to strike unruly students with a paddle, I don't know of anyone who actually witnessed such a thing. While there were occasional problems raising my son, and frequent problems with my nephew, who suffered from reactive attachment disorder, I never felt that corporal punishment would have been the answer, and indeed I found answers elsewhere.

    I would not have approved of a teacher taking it upon himself or herself to physically punish my child. Indeed, the school system is harming our children in many other ways, and these are the problems that should be addressed. I won't say that I am opposed to non-harmful corporal punishment, such as lightly spanking a child who isn't old enough to understand verbal instructions, but I never raised a child of that age. Parenting is the job of parents, and teachers should stick to their own mission, which is to teach, not to indoctrinate or parent.

    Any human being should be allowed to defend himself (or herself), however.
     
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    Ken were you an only child? It is hard to raise kids without disciplining them. What I couldn't stand was seeing kids get hit by hands especially in the face. I once told a SIL if she ever hit her kid like that again I'd hit her. she slapped him very hard across his ear. Made me very mad.
     
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    Discipline doesn't have to involve physical punishment. There were five kids in my family, all boys. I'm not saying that a parent shouldn't be allowed to keep that option in their toolbox, although I don't think it's a necessary one, but teachers should not have that much power over anyone's children. Parents who used corporal punishment on their children have raised successful, responsible children, and parents who did not use corporal punishment have also done so. As a parent, I felt more successful doing so without striking my child. Good parenting goes far beyond the use or non-use of corporal punishment, however.
     
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