The Deliberate Dumbing Down Of America

Discussion in 'Education & Learning' started by Bobby Cole, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,948
    Likes Received:
    3,665


    A little something to get your blood pressure going today. The video says in a short 12 minutes what I, my wife and others have been screaming about for years.
     
    #1
  2. Patsy Faye

    Patsy Faye Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    8,899
    Likes Received:
    9,927
    Thought provoking as to 'why' ................ Money money money ?
    Depressing ................ :(
     
    #2
    Bobby Cole likes this.
  3. Chrissy Cross

    Chrissy Cross Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2015
    Messages:
    16,532
    Likes Received:
    15,171
    Although subjects might be taught differently now in some schools, Ive never seen spelling mistakes being let go on any of the papers my 5 grandsons wrote.

    There are still spelling tests, etc.

    So, I don't agree totally with this video.
     
    #3
    Von Jones and Bobby Cole like this.
  4. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,948
    Likes Received:
    3,665
    I can see the spelling thing happening with some specific teachers but not overall. On the other hand, I do see an overall drive to reward Johnny or Sally for simply doing the work no matter the outcome. A perfect example would be the agenda of rewarding kids who play in a sporting competition with a trophy for simply competing.
    Getting a pat on the back and an atta boy if the person honestly tries should be sufficient for those who's performance wasn't up to par. Giving someone something to shoot for, whether a trophy or a gold star, is just one motivational method to call for excellence. If the work isn't completed and completed correctly, the gold goes to someone else who did.
     
    #4
  5. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,948
    Likes Received:
    3,665
    It is harder to rule over well educated people. The less someone knows and the more their sense of reasoning is dulled, the more they are willing to accept whatever they are told.
     
    #5
    Chris Ladewig and Patsy Faye like this.
  6. Patsy Faye

    Patsy Faye Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    8,899
    Likes Received:
    9,927
    That's true enough
    As for the rest of the video - a study of violent video games was featured here on the radio, stating that under 18s
    are playing these games. When the question was asked why not ban them altogether, the answer was they make
    too much money from them and the same goes for most detrimental items, even food products, make-up etc, - where
    the ingredients are less than healthy
     
    #6
    Yvonne Smith and Bobby Cole like this.
  7. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Greeter
    Moderator Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    8,667
    Likes Received:
    11,449
    I think it depends on the school, but the further we get to standardization, everyone will eventually have to be at the lowest common denominator.
     
    #7
  8. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,948
    Likes Received:
    3,665
    One thing I noticed a number of years ago with the advent of scholastic integration was the overall implementation of the bell curve. Whether whatever schools could not afford good teachers or the standards of black schools in particular were less than the others I do not know.
    Note: The schools I went to were already integrated years before there was a law, hence my lack of knowledge as to what the differences were.

    By using the curve, all a student needed to get decent grades was to be in the same ballpark as the other students.
    A student no longer had to get a 100% of the answers on a test correct to receive an A.
     
    #8
  9. Hal Pollner

    Hal Pollner Active Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2018
    Messages:
    251
    Likes Received:
    210
    It irritates me when people, even TV commercials, happily use the term "It's a no-brainer!"

    This sounds like it's becoming fashionable not to use our brains anymore!

    Hal
     
    #9
  10. Don Alaska

    Don Alaska Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2018
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    587
    Our education system needs to be completely overhauled. I would like to see it go back to the 1960s in structure. We were integrated and everyone was treated the same, but the options were different. Not everyone was expected to go to college. We were divided into college-bound, business bound, and general (mechanics, tradesmen, and construction-types). It was pretty much up to the students what division they were in (although parents had some say, too, that led to some people in the college-bound group that didn't want to be there) and they could change from one group to any other whenever they wished. Changing would lead to catch-up work, however, and the later in high school you changed, the more catch-up would be required. Each division was then divided by academic achievement (grades, teacher input, and standardized test scores) so that everyone was "competing" against people on a similar level; the "smart" kids were not held back to the slowest kid in the class, and the "slower" kids were not frustrated by being unable to keep up. This system led to an almost universal graduation rate--a drop out was a rare exception--since the system allowed for varied interests. This system was outlawed by the Civil Rights laws of the 1970s since it could be used to segregate. I could see how it could be used for that, but I never saw it done. The biggest problem in the schools today is that everyone is expected to go to college. That leaves the entrepreneurs and tradespeople out of the equation of society. Most mechanics and carpenters don't need foreign languages and calculus, and many lawyers and doctors don't need metal shop and auto mechanics.
     
    #10
    Bobby Cole and Frank Sanoica like this.
  11. Frank Sanoica

    Frank Sanoica Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2016
    Messages:
    4,509
    Likes Received:
    4,077
    @Don Alaska
    The education institution has indeed changed, as you said. Ask any retired teacher whether the changes were for the better. Can today's young adults "make change" while selling? Can their cell phones help them do so?

    IMO, we can thank, either directly or indirectly, "P.C." for much of the change.
    Frank
     
    #11
  12. Hal Pollner

    Hal Pollner Active Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2018
    Messages:
    251
    Likes Received:
    210
    Some schools are eliminating the "F", or Failing Grade, because it may harm the recipient's "self-esteem"!

    Ridiculous! A Failing student should receive a failing grade!

    Hal
     
    #12
    Frank Sanoica likes this.
  13. Tom Galty

    Tom Galty Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    81
    You should watch Mark Dice U tube interviews Asking Historic questions.
     
    #13
  14. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,948
    Likes Received:
    3,665
    We have managed to lay a huge amount of blame on the shoulders of teachers and the educational system in general but there is an element that we really have not explored as much as we ought.

    PISA, the Program for International Student Assessment, tests 15 year old students every three years in some 65 countries and at present the U.S. is around the 36th marker. (the U.K. includes 4 countries and holds the 26th ranking).
    The accuracy of the testing isn't what is in question at this time although most of the countries, particularly the U.S. is definitely studying whether or not our participation in the upcoming tests is necessary due to some predictable flaws in the testing structure.

    What is interesting comes from a study from the University of Munich by Ludger Woessmann and Ashley Inman of Harvard University concerning single and two parent students who took the tests.
    The U.S. is what is in question (OP) so apparently, according to the study, over 26% of our students (ages 15) are from single parent families. That's well over nearly every nation in the testing grid!

    In another study by the U.S. Department of Labor, the statistics for two parent families with both parents working is at 60.6%.

    If we take into account that 25% of those taking the PISA exam (low estimation) come from single parent families and 60.6% percent of the kids coming from 2 parent families have both parents working we can find a definitive gap in parent / student relationships.
    It is apparent that in a majority of cases, the home and lack of needed attention regarding a student's learning program is in dire need and may well be an overwhelming culprit in the dumbing down in America.
     
    #14
    Don Alaska likes this.
  15. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Greeter
    Moderator Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    5,363
    Likes Received:
    7,899
    I absolutely agree that our young people are not being taught, either by the parents or the teachers, and education is becoming almost worthless in many ways.
    Some of the helpful classes , like shop (for the boys) and home-ec (for the girls) have pretty much been phased out, and the classes they do have do not to much to prepare kids for real life .
    They learn in school that no matter how well or how poorly they do, every one “gets a prize” for just participating. There is nowhere nearly as much motivation to excel at something as there used to be, back when we went to school, and only the ones who worked hard and actually deserved a prize got one.
    The “no child left behind” pretty much stopped kids having to take the grade over, which helped to ensure that they got a good basic foundation of what they were being taught. I have seen high school kids that do not even understand basic math principles, and most young adults can’t even make change or tell time with a regular clock.

    However, I also believe that more is going on that contributes to this problem, and part of it is a physical thing.
    Adults and children often do not eat healthy foods anymore, and the vitamins and minerals that come from good foods are important to both physical and mental development.
    Iodine is one great example.
    Back in the early 1900’s, it was discovered that school children were getting goiters from severe iodine deficiency, and that is why iodine was added to salt, and also to bread.
    However, it is only barely enough to prevent goiter, and not enough for maximum amounts that people should have.
    The forumula for commercial bread was changed, and now bromide is added, which destroys iodine absorption.
    When a mother does not get enough iodine during pregnancy, it affects the brain development of the baby, and this is one of the reasons for Down syndrome babies.
    http://www.laurapower.com/page26.html

    Another thing is that it has been proven that exercise develops new brain cells, and most children (and adults) do not get anywhere near as much exercise as the children of earlier generations got.
    That is why they advise seniors that it is important for us to exercise to keep our memory working good.

    There is a lot of good evidence that vaccinations contribute to autism, and so does diet. Kids raised on white sugar and flour foods are much more likely to have autistic behavior that ones fed a healthy diet of whole fresh foods.
    A good example would be the Amish (and similar religious groups) that do not get their children vaccinated, and grow most of their own foods, and these people (as a whole ) do not have a lot of the physical and mental health problems that other people can get.
     
    #15
  16. Avigail David

    Avigail David Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    May 20, 2015
    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    270
    My blood is boiling! That's why we've chosen to 100% homeschool and teach, protect, prepare our children to be responsible, hard working, socially and spiritually happy, God-loving citizens. Many mistakes but we learn and correct our failings doing what's always right. Never vaccinated nor drugged our children.
     
    #16
    Frank Sanoica and Bobby Cole like this.
  17. Chris Ladewig

    Chris Ladewig Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2016
    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    505
    I could almost write a book on all the things in this thread that I agree with. What they're doing to the children now and for a long time back. I have one son who graduated high school in Ca without being able to read. I have another son that I had to send out of state to school because they trying to take him away when I wouldn't give him meds daily. He learned to read in jr high when I sent him to school in Wisconsin. It isn't the teachers although I fought with a few when they would send my kids home rather than deal with them, even lying to get them sent home. I had to go to the school board to get my son kept back a grade when he wasn't up with the rest of his class. I better stop for now because my temper flares just discussing this.
     
    #17
  18. Don Alaska

    Don Alaska Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2018
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    587

    Good point on the bromine/iodine situation. Bromine is added to flour in the U.S., but I think it is forbidden in the E.U. Iron has recently (a number of years ago) now been linked to thyroid function as well. I have seen good vaccines and bad vaccines. Many doctors now agree that children receive too many vaccines, but it is the standard of care, and they have to push them. MMR and DPT seem to be the most often linked to autism, but I think it is the NUMBER of vaccinations, not any individual vaccine that is the problem. I could go into my reasoning, but that is not this thread. HIB vaccine is one of the good ones. Diet is important in many ways, and without adding a number of ocean products to you diet (seafood, kelp, etc.) it is now impossible to attain complete nutrition IMHO.
     
    #18
    Yvonne Smith and Avigail David like this.
  19. Don Alaska

    Don Alaska Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2018
    Messages:
    470
    Likes Received:
    587
    We homeschooled our 6 children over 22 years. We were real freaks when we started, but were accepted as normal by the time the last of our kids left home.
     
    #19
    Avigail David likes this.
  20. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Greeter
    Moderator Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    8,667
    Likes Received:
    11,449
    I wasn't aware of the agendas involved in our public education system when my son was in school. However, while he was in junior high school in Long Beach, he was having trouble with algebra. I have mentioned on this forum before that I had a lot of trouble with algebra when I was in school. Of course, I suggested he let his teacher know that he was having trouble understanding it and ask for help. He said that he had, but that his teacher would simply point him to the book.

    Looking at his book, I could see that they would show a very easy problem and then present more difficult ones for the students to figure out. Finally, I went to talk to his teacher and he pretty much told me that most of his students could figure it out so it wasn't his problem. He said that he had fifty students in his class and couldn't be expected to spend extra time with all of them. I pointed out that he had just told me that most of his students didn't need extra help. The end result was he wasn't any help. I ended up ordering the teacher's edition of his book and figuring algebra out for myself so I could help him figure it out at home. That wasn't an agenda, though. That was a lazy teacher.
     
    #20
  21. Frank Sanoica

    Frank Sanoica Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2016
    Messages:
    4,509
    Likes Received:
    4,077
    @Chris Ladewig
    Keep in mind temper flare goes hand in hand with rising blood pressure, neither are good at all!
    Frank
     
    #21
    Chris Ladewig likes this.
  22. Avigail David

    Avigail David Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    May 20, 2015
    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    270
    I recommend[​IMG] Screenshot_2018-05-18-09-54-15-1.png this book – "Abduction: How Liberalism Steals Our Childrens Hearts And Minds" by Steve Feazel, Dr. Carol M. Swain.
     
    #22
    Don Alaska likes this.

Share This Page