The Dark Legacy, Another Documentary About The Kennedy Assassination

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    All these years later, people are still wondering who was actually behind the Kennedy assassination, and why it happened.
    There are almost as many speculations about why Kennedy was shot and killed as there are possible suspects for who orchestrated the murder of one of our most beloved presidents.
    I read the information about this documentary, watched the trailer, and will probably watch the whole presentation this evening.
    It looks like it is on Youtube, and I haven't checked Netflix yet.
    This documentary is interesting in the fact that it suggests that the Bush family might well have been involved.
    Other reports have also included former president, Lyndon Johnson as being part of the plot.
    One thing seems to be certain, and that is that the case does not lack for possible suspects, and whoever actually is responsible certainly did a good job of covering up their tracks.
    Has anyone already seen this documentary, and if so, what did you think about it ?
    Since this assassination is such an important part of history, I added the thread here instead of just in with other movies and TV programs in the entertainment thread.
     
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    @Yvonne Smith "Has anyone already seen this documentary, and if so, what did you think about it ?

    I have not, but would remark that if it brings up the "grassy knoll", I can contribute a few things I read long, long ago. The grassy knoll was a park-like area just ahead of the location of the Lincoln when JFK was shot. Since brain matter splattered a motorcycle cop behind the Lincoln, it made sense that the killing shot was fired from in front of the vehicle. Warren Commission declared the Science of Physics to be invalid by stating the President's bodily fluids bounced backwards towards the source of the bullet, the Book Depository.

    The grassy knoll had a system of storm drains beneath it, easily capable of allowing an assassin to present, and disappear, easily. The grassy knoll and it's storm drains had been constructed by a company owned by an individual bound to have intimate knowledge of it's layout. Ownership of that company has been well-documented. Frank
     
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    I have always thought LBJ was right up to his big Texas butt cheeks in JFK's assassination.
     
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    I've seen some documentary about the assassination of our former president JFK and I think Johnson our former vice pres couldn't have done it for he'd have nothing to gain from it...he had the cushiest job when Pres. JFK was alive...so it couldn't have been him. I look at it from the standpoint of who'd gain a lot if Pres. JFK was gone...it would be most interesting looking at the assassination from this prospective wouldn't it?
     
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    @Chris Ladewig One should ask: Of all people within the Washington "Inner Sanctum", which one stood to gain the most from JFK's exit?

    Frank
     
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    I have to admit, I still have questions. There have been so many versions told by now that I'm not sure the truth could even be recognized at this point. I visited the scene several years ago, and didn't really get any ominous sense about the Book Depository, but the Grassy Knoll gave me chills for some reason.
     
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    This is one that never will be proven. You will never create the same scenario as what happened that day. There's been some attempts to recreate the head shot and here's one....
     
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    Same here, @Chris Ladewig ... I don't even remember why I started believing that, but I did think it even when I was much too young to be thinking of things like that. I was only six when it happened, but I was believing the LBJ thing probably around the very early 70s.
     
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    He got to be president and it happened in his state. I don't think he was the reason. I think Kennedy wasn't interested in following the plan that is now playing out and has been for some time, That's why Johnson got the hell out of office without running for another term. He was scared to death and kept his mouth shut to stay alive.
     
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    Living near Dallas, I can tell you that there are an infinite number of conspiracy theories. I think that people had such hi hopes for the JFK administration. And that believing a lone gunman could put an end to that is inconceivsble. PBS has a documentary surrounding the womam Oswalt's wife lived with when she was separated from him prior to the assassination. It is clear to me in that dovumentary that Oswalt did it alone. He hid his gun in the garage where his wife was staying and the cryptic sayings overheard by the room mate totals up to someone who was a little "off'".
     
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    Although I have no idea and probably never will know the truth, it could be the simple answer is the right answer.

    There have always been assassination attempts by lone, mental gunman. Not all are successful but some are.

    I don't think that the ones that failed and where done by a lone gunman ever proved that it was anything more.
     
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    @Chrissy Page Great video! Thank you! As a lifelong target shooting enthusiast, I can attest to the possibility of liquid, or near-liquid, matter, being thrown backwards towards the shooter. Experienced it myself, testing self-defense special handgun rounds known as Glaser Safety Slugs, and was hit with water spray thrown back at me from no more than twenty feet away. It would not have flown much farther than that distance had I not been in the way. Nor was it very much in quantity. Big differences exist in effect between handgun levels of power, and "high-powered" rifles, though. I won't delve into that as it's speculative in this comparison.

    But, the Italian Carcano rifle used by Oswald, even though he may have been a highly-experienced user of rifles, was notoriously poor at being cyclable quickly. Much testing was done by independent folks having no possible gain from incorrect or slanted reporting, using a number of the world's foremost rifle shooters: NONE could duplicate Oswald's feat of having fired three or four rounds in 3 seconds or less. NONE.

    Given the highest level of expertise and the best-available bolt-action rifle, and the Carcano certainly lies outside the realm of quality in that respect, even firing 2 rounds in under 3 seconds, much less doing so with high accuracy of aim, is nearly impossible.

    That's what I remember about the aftermath. Ah, comes to mind a bit more. Jack Ruby was dying of cancer when he murdered Oswald. Speculate on: why would he do it? Would incentive have been a big payout to his wife?
    Frank
     
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    Nobody will ever recreate how it happened exactly. So mant little details that could affect the outcome. You have to use a dummy which isn't exactly a real person. Even the knot in JFKs tie probably can't be duplicated exactly.
    Not to mention all the other maybe even unknown factors tnat weren't recorded that day. Evidence gathering was probably somewhat different too back then.

    As for Ruby, I don't even remember the details involved with him but I did see it live on TV.
     
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    @Frank Sanoica , I did find this video about testing the shooting of the rifle.
     
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    That's the problem with unsolved crimes, there are so many suspects but no one was proven to have done it because there is no evidence. But the suspicion remains after all these years. I had seen the video clip of President JFK's assassination and I have also read the accounts of the aftermath including the suspected assassin and the killer of the assassin inside the jail. But with the mastermind, he may be an influential person or maybe a powerful organization.

    We have a parallel with the JFK murder which is the Ninoy Aquino killing right on the tarmac of the Manila International Airport when the former senator was disembarking from a China Arilines plane. Until now, the mastermind has not been identified.
     
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    @Chrissy Page "I did find this video about testing the shooting of the rifle."

    Even better than the first, Chrissy! Appreciate the time you've spent finding it. Very revealing. I believe Warren Commission claimed Oswald fired all shots in 3 seconds or less, a feat remaining unduplicated since. I always felt Oswald was made a scapegoat, but doubted that he was not involved at all.....that would have been an impossible conclusion back then, when public trust in leadership, Congressional investigations, and such, was likely much higher than today. Frank
     
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    I have no idea on this conspiracy....it's fading from my memory as I saw it happen on TV. I've forgotten the numerous documentaries I've seen on it or national enquirer stories I've read.

    He probably wouldn't be assassinated today, not many precautions were taken then.
     
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    Bobby and I did watch the documentary about the killing of President Kennedy, and it does a great job of explaining what was happening in the government , especially with Cuba and the Russians, at that time in history.
    The possibility presented is that the CIA was involved in the assassination, and that Oswald might hve been working for the FBI at that time, and so he was set up as a patsy for the killing.
    There is a lot of information about the supposed bullet that hit the President, and also the rifle that was supposed to have been used by Oswald, that @Frank Sanoica will not want to miss !
    If the CIA was part of the anti-Castro group, and Kennedy was trying to keep the peace with both Cuba and Russia, then it is possible that he had J. Edgar Hoover send Oswald into the CIA operation to try and find out what was going on there. Being arrested (and then killed) certainly stopped Oswald from telling anything that he knew about what the CiA was doing.
    Anyway, it was a pretty interesting movie, and who knows whether it is right or not; but just watching it does help shed more light on what was happening in the government at that time, and why they would want to kill Kennedy.
    The whole documentary is on Youtube, and here is the link.

     
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    Thank-You for the, Dark Legacy Trailer. I've seen the Warren commission investigation documentary, and felt it being fabricated. When the movie JFK came out made some sense. It was about, New Orleans, and the Garrison Investigation, that and the Clay Shaw trial.

    I was at work when the assassination happen, and time studied a machine. It was always noisy, when one of the machinist was trying to tell me what happen. He had one of the most terrified look on his face. I thought something awful happen around us. Coming out from back of the machine, men and women were in total shock. I seen two deaf mutes crying and signing, the death of President Kennedy.
     
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    If you liked the trailer, @Marilyn Pahl , the link for the whole movie is also posted in my post just above your post. It is a very interesting video,and does a great job of explaining their theory of what might have happened and why it happened.
    This assassination has always interested me, and I try to watch all of the videos that present different possibilities of what really happened.
    While it was possible that a lone nut killer might try to kill the president,most of the facts do not seem to support that story.
     
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    The latest scenario that I read was that the fatal head shot came from an AK-47 type weapon in the follow-up car, accidentally fired by a replacement Secret Service agent. The agents had been out partying the night before and got back in the wee hours of Friday morning. The agent assigned to the backup car and weapon was replaced by a less experienced agent, who ran the motor pool for the SS vehicles. He stood up, just as the car lurched and his finger on the trigger , with the safety off, fired one round of heavy caliber ammo, which hit Kennedy in the head. There is one picture of the agent with the weapon raised, and later at the hospital, inside. His name was George Hickey.
     
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    That's the hardest one to believe in my opinion. Wasn't the street lined with people? I'm sure that would have been noticed.

    Was this guy accused or questioned?

    An SS agent isn't worth all the trouble to go to all the trouble of a cover up. I'm sure nobody would care if he went to jail for shooting JFK if he really did it.

    Kind of like friendly fire ....it happens.
     
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    I agree with you about that, @Chrissy Page . If the SS agent had accidentally shot the President, it would have been a huge news story, and even if it was accidental, he would have been tried for something.
    Also, there is all of the other facts of the shooting, and what is the likelihood that he would have fired at the exact time and place where Oswald was supposed to have been waiting to kill Kennedy.
    Plus , people heard more than one shot, and other people were also hit, so the so-called magic bullet story would have to have been stretched even further.
    I also think that, while possible, what is the likelihood that the agent would stumble and shoot a bullet that happened to be a head shot to the president ? Unless he had the weapon already aimed directly at the president, it does not seem probable that he would shoot him with a fatal head shot just by chance.
     
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    I had a chance to see the whole documentary tonight. Wow this one is really thought provoking. They think Nixon, Bush family, others in those past administrations were in on it. When visiting relatives in Mobile Ala. everything was Clay Shaw, Jim Garrison is really gonna nail Shaw. Then when the movie JFK came out it was about the conspiracy theory. Garrison was so bent on destroying Shaw,he wanted to hit hard at something. There wasn't anything else he could do, his hands were tied and people were so tight lipped. Garrison lost that trial. I wonder today if Garrison was alive what his thoughts would have been.....
     
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    @Joe Riley
    The most way-out-there theorization I've seen! Thanks for it! Only problem I have with it, is why was the SS agent, no matter what degree of experience, pointing the weapon in JFK's direction, with his finger on the trigger, safety off, unless he intended to kill Kennedy?

    Surely, he would have known that in such close proximity to the motorcade, he would be seen. How much dough would have had to be offered to an experienced "professional" to attempt such a thing? Unless, unless of course.....like Jack Ruby he knew he had terminal cancer, or terminal lack of brainpower. Pictures as you describe are today easily "phonied".

    I just can't buy it, Joe. I'm sticking with LBJ.
    Frank
     
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