Suppressing The Cure For Cancer

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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    I don't believe a cure has been found either. If I search I bet some top researchers have even died of cancer.

    As for the dog food @Ken Anderson, that surprised me. I was recommended Royal Canin for dachshunds. My old vet had a dachshund and that's what she fed her dog. Also the owners of Pickles fed their dachshunds that.
     
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    I believe you may have hit the target with the "at the educational level"...as I do think at the education level they know a lot more about what is causing cancer but are not sharing all this information that could maybe prevent someone from getting cancer in the first place. Nutrition places a role in keeping our bodies healthy, but unfortunately most of our food and water supply is tainted with poisons and chemicals that probably play a big role in producing cancer cells in our bodies. Even the air we breathe is tainted with poisons and chemicals that we inhale with every breath we take. I don't believe there can be a real cure for cancer as long as everything we eat and drink and even the air we breath is polluted with "poisons" that eventually poison our bodies too.
     
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    No offense or disrespect indended towards your friend, @Mari North (saying "mar-ee", so please...no more soap in my brain) .
    I think that my doctors are wonderful people, too, and have posted many times that when my cardiologist sent me for the Cardioversion to stop the a-fib; it totally changed my life for the better. Had he not done that, I probably would have died, since my heart was only functioning at 23%EF when they operated.
    I totally agree that most doctors do the very best that they can to take care of their patients, and was not implying anything different.
    Even the link which I posted focused on the pharmaceutical companies efforts to lead the doctors into using their drug over a competitor's drug, and not on doctor's taking advantage of their patients.
    However, this is not a health thread about how much we like our doctors, it is a thread about needing to be aware that some doctors are more focused on expensive treatments, even when the patient does not need that.
    There are stories all of the time about medicare fraud; where the doctor has prescribed drugs or treatment, knowing that the patient didn't need it.
    As seniors, we need to be aware of those things; because it seems like, more and more, we older people have become and easy target for all kinds of scams.
     
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    Well... it's actually about the suppression of a cure for cancer, and not expensive treatments. That's why I stopped the discussion last night when I ran out of things to say about it. There may be another thread covering the topic you mentioned, though. If you find it, tag me, but I really don't want to hijack Ken's topic any further.
     
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    http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.p...-hidden-cancer-cure-conspiracy-theories-fail/

    I found this to be a very good "reasoning" article as to why a cancer cure is not being suppressed. I can remember years ago "hearing" that they had found a cure for cancer and "the powers that be" were keeping it from the public and even though I don't remember knowing anyone who had cancer at the time...I still could believe that something like this was possible. But now I know plenty of people who are living and dying from cancer and cancer is one thing that hits to close to home for the rich, the middle class, and the poor. No one is immune from it and if there were a cure for every form of cancer I don't think even "the powers that be" could suppress this.

    The fact that some people live for years with one form of cancer while another person with that same form dies early on is something I don't think anyone can explain. Since I am a Christian I do believe it has a lot to do with the time God has allotted for each one of us here on earth. But as a human being I get just as frustrated as anyone else when I see someone I love in pain and suffering...and feel helpless to do anything about it. Researchers must feel that same way and I'm sure they all would like to find that magic potion or pill that would do away with all forms of cancer once and for all time. So no, I don't believe there is any Conspiracy going on to suppress the miracle cancer drug. I do believe that there is a Conspiracy among big Drug companies to "inflate" the prices of the drugs needed for cancer treatment though.
     
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    There are so many things that can cause cancer, and so many different kinds , that it might not be a simple thing to find a cure. I do think that there are things that people can do to help prevent getting cancer though, and this is where most doctors fall short, as @Ken Anderson mentioned in the opening post.
    Like he said, they can operate once they find cancer; but they really didn't have any helpful ideas on how to stop it from developing in the first place.
    I believe that eating a diet that contains anti-cancer foods is a good place to start. Some foods (like certain grapes) literally contain properties that kill cancer cells, and destroy them. Adding those foods as a preventative measure seems like a good place to start.
    Avoiding things that are known carcinogens is another good idea. Again, doctors might tell you to stop smoking; but probably not much more than that.
    It is known that cancer cells only feed on sugar; so eliminating their natural food can starve the cancer cells to death. This is far less hazardous to the body than killing them with harmful radiation would be; but a person would have to start doing these kinds of things before the cancer was extreme and it is too late for prevention.
    So, while doctors are probably not actively suppressing a cure that is certain to work, they definitely could be offerering some better ideas for prevention and early treatment.
     
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    I would think surgery if possible would be early treatment, Yvonne. Drs. Can't treat you for cancer before you have it.

    I also think most patients don't listen to their doctor's advice or there would be no smokers left.

    They also try to get you to lose weight and eat healthy.


    Also, about sugar...this is from the Mayo Clinic site.

    Myth: People with cancer shouldn't eat sugar, since it can cause cancer to grow faster.

    Fact: Sugar doesn't make cancer grow faster. All cells, including cancer cells, depend on blood sugar (glucose) for energy. But giving more sugar to cancer cells doesn't speed their growth. Likewise, depriving cancer cells of sugar doesn't slow their growth.

    This misconception may be based in part on a misunderstanding of positron emission tomography (PET) scans, which use a small amount of radioactive tracer — typically a form of glucose. All tissues in your body absorb some of this tracer, but tissues that are using more energy — including cancer cells — absorb greater amounts. For this reason, some people have concluded that cancer cells grow faster on sugar. But this isn't true.

    However, there is some evidence that consuming large amounts of sugar is associated with an increased risk of certain cancers, including esophageal cancer. It can also lead to weight gain and increase the risk of obesity and diabetes, which may increase the risk of cancer.
     
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    Oh sure.. I don't think I've ever heard anyone dispute the fact that we need to eat healthy foods and avoid too many unhealthy foods in order to help our chances of avoiding cancer. (And smoking/drinking too much, too, of course.)

    I do not, however, think we should expect our doctors to "slap our wittle patties" and tell us to not eat so much red meat, and to eat our veggies. We should already know that. That's what dieticians and nutritionists are paid to do, come to think of it.

    To blame doctors for not reminding us that we shouldn't eat too much sugar and processed foods when we end up with cancer... well I just don't agree with that. We need to educate *ourselves* and not be so co-dependent that we premeditate who to blame if our health takes a tank. Actually if my doc would go into a schpiel about what I should eat and not eat when that is something I should already know, I'd roll my eyes at him and he'd say, "okay, okay, I'm offending your intelligence again, am I not?" :D
     
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    Actually, I specifically asked my general physician as well as my urologist what I could do to reduce the chances of cancer returning, and they seemed confused by the question. The urologist said there was nothing I could do that would prevent it from reoccurring, and that I should just go through the radiation treatment and hope that it doesn't come back. My GP told me that keeping my overall health as good as possible would help my body fight a reoccurrence and then used that as a way to segue into a lecture about taking Lipitor, which I didn't like because it caused restless leg syndrome and other discomforts. Of course, I once scheduled an appointment to see him about an earache and he made it all about Lipitor. That particular doctor, whom I no longer see, never offered any alternatives to Lipitor, such as Crestor, which I am now taking without noticeable side effects.

    Quoting an established source, such as the Mayo Clinic, is certainly a valid citation but don't be disappointed when it doesn't bring the discussion to an end, particularly given the fact that the thread is about suppression of cancer treatments by the medical community. If they were doing that, they surely wouldn't admit to it in their online literature. That might do it for you, and I won't argue about that as far as you're concerned, but someone who believes that the medical community is suppressing a cure isn't going to be won over by a citation from the same medical community.

    That would be the equivalent of having the police investigate police wrongdoing. We do that of course, but reasonable people often discount the findings.

    I don't surrender the use of my own brain in deference to the experts, knowing that experts often lie, and one thing that seems clear to me is that there is something, other than smoking, that can cause cancer, and it seems quite likely that we are put at risk by things that we breathe into our lungs, absorb into our skin, and ingest into our bodies. With the billions of dollars that has gone into cancer research worldwide over the past several years, it seems like we ought to know more about what these things are.

    It also seems clear that likely suspects might include pesticides and genetically modified foods, but as long as our government is in bed with Monsanto, it is very hard to believe the results of government-funded research that seems to always leave Monsanto out of the loop.
     
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    The volume of misinformation and myths on the Internet is staggering. And I don't really have a problem with people choosing to believe the misinformation *if* they don't go around preaching it as gospel and it ends up hurting others who are vulnerable and/or grasping for answers and thus gullible. It's one of my pet peeves... injustice. And when it comes to health care, I can be a mama tiger when I see hurting individuals being fed information that is inaccurate.
     
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    I'm sure there's not a doctor alive who doesn't wish he or she would have the ability to predict when there will be a recurrence or mets to other parts of the body. There isn't a way. Your GP and urologist, sadly, were right. Keeping the health in tip-top shape *is* the wisest thing we can do... because no one 'cept the Good Lord Himself knows if it's going to come back or spread. Keeping health stellar *is* all anyone has to offer.

    Now of course, if it had been a kind of cancer we know more about, I sure hope your docs would have had another answer... if you're asking about lung cancer, I hope they'd mention smoking... or talk about sunscreen if you're asking about preventing skin cancer.

    If doctors could tell anyone how to prevent cancer from returning, there'd be no cancer, I suspect... or a lot less of it.
     
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    I agree Mari. I've also given up on here even bothering. I have a great dr. And I'm doing what I feel is best for me. I try and follow a healthy way of life...I may still get cancer and if I do I'll do everything possible to beat it.

    The meds I take work for me and that's what matters in the end I guess. I'm healthy, I'm not overweight, quit smoking, I'm not going to go crazy reading and buying into a bunch of useless info. I get most of my vitamins and minerals from the food I eat, which is the best way.

    Too bad you got some bad Drs Ken. I haven't had that experience.

    Also, how anyone would risk their life reading God knows what sources and relying on that I don't understand. Anyone can say anything on the internet and they do. Scary!
     
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    Maybe I should do the same... sometimes being such a stubborn cuss doesn't serve me very well. :p But I'm a protector and protecting the "unsuspecting" has been part of my life for 35 years... not very easy to just put a lid on it.

    But tonight I must find that lid because I'm going out in half an hour and running dreadfully late. Catch ya'll tomorrow!
    --Signed White Rabbit (I'm late, I'm late.)
     
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    Our government was in bed with the tobacco industry for decades. When it found that it couldn't bleed the industry anymore, and the lies about tobacco not being harmful were falling apart in front of everyone, the same government spent the next few decades attacking the tobacco industry and those who were addicted to the product, enriching itself beyond imagination at both ends. One day, I am sure that the pesticide industry's days in the sun will be over, and the government that now supports them, at a profit to itself, will then attack them, also at a profit to itself. I don't know how much health figures into it.
     
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    Just want to add that if eliminating sugar would kill cancer cells then all the people on Atkins wouldn't get cancer but they do. You can't get much lower sugar than Atkins.
     
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    The Medical Profession are mainly taught in School about disease and how to treat it with prescriptions. They aren't taught much about how to prevent it with good nutrition and regular exercise. Their job is to tell us what is wrong with us and then to write us a script to treat our sickness. It used to be that our regular Doctors knew a little about everything...but now there are so many Specialists that treat specific areas like cancer that our regular Doctor has become like a Pit Stop before going on to the Garage. Even the Specialists are taught how to treat the disease instead of how to prevent it. They further their education by learning about the latest advances in treatment, etc. not in research on how to prevent these diseases. If we all knew how to prevent illness and disease our Doctors would be out of a job...and Drug Companies would go bust too. So I do believe there is some suppression going on with how to prevent cancer...at the same time if a person is willing to do their own research....the information is out there...but it won't be your Doctor in most cases who will share that information or even steer you to it.
     
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    Don't you think they should be? Given the insane amount of money that goes into cancer research, don't you think we should have more to show for it? I don't believe that the percentage of the population dying of cancer has been reduced. The number of people dying of some cancers goes down, while the number of people dying of other kinds of cancers rises.
     
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    If I remember right it took some big lawsuits to make them all "fess up" to the harmful effects too. I never did any research on this but I often wonder how much more harmful tobacco, etc. has become since they started spraying the crops with chemicals, etc.
     
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    Definitely!
     
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    I think they do have more to show for it...but that knowledge does not include what makes all of them money...so it is not important to them...and definitely not shared with us. So while they might not be suppressing a Cancer cure all...I do believe they are suppressing some information that might help us prevent cancer in the first place.
     
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    The government was the big beneficiary to the lawsuits filed against the tobacco industry, and they make a fortune by taxing tobacco products.
     
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    I don't even have to look this fact up...as I know you speak the truth here. I am married to a lifetime smoker whose own Mom ended up chained to an oxygen tank until her death a few years ago. Nothing I say, no higher taxes on each pack he buys ever even makes him want to try to quit. There is no need to tell you I hate tobacco and my husband's addiction to it.

    Smoking causes cancer too. And I do believe that the tobacco Companies had a Conspiracy going to suppress that information for a very long time! That information is out now but for way to many people that are addicted to tobacco products...they are to addicted to even try to break free...and probably really don't believe the truth that is finally out now.
     
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    I've worked in clinics, and have been the recipient of the lunches provided by drug representatives. The food is provided because the visit is considered educational, and it takes place during the lunch hour of everyone who works at the clinic, at least those involved in the medication and treatment aspects. I always found the information interesting, and although relationships are formed among the employees, doctors and drug reps, I never witnessed anything untoward at the clinics where I worked. I believe in a more multi-pronged approach to any treatment, and wouldn't rely on one particular mode of treatment, nor would I want my loved ones to. I think that is becoming the norm, and I believe it's a healthy direction we're moving in, and I hope it continues. I do think some things are being suppressed, but I also don't believe it's at the treatment provider level.

    I've been the recipient of free trial packs of medication at a few points in my life, and I appreciated having the ability to try out medication without expending funds until I knew whether or not it would help. I think even if someone developed a cure, it wouldn't cure everyone. Each of us is different, and our bodies respond differently to medications and other things, so in my opinion, cancer treatment, as well as treatment for other disorders, is an individual journey.
     
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    @Ken Anderson Don't forget the lawyers. They always benefit heavily from these extensive, protracted lawsuits. One reason I finally quite smoking was because I refused to pay another cent in taxes on cigarettes.

    By the way, I don't have a vendetta against attorneys. As with every field, some are good, some are bad. I believe the field started out nobly, and they provided necessary services, much like the original labor unions.
     
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    A good friend of mine was a research scientist working at the western University in London Ontario in the 1950s.
    He was giving a research grant to check on the connection between health and smoking his research after it was done was not published. The reason for this is the person who pays for the research has all rights to the research. The person who paid for that research was Rothmans. The research show that smoking had a negative effect on health.
    I joke with my friend that if he had known it was Rothmans he could have changed the results and made millions of dollars and be dragged around the world showing his results. He laugh and says you are probably right.
    This happens way to often the person who owns research is the person who pays for it The drug companies will never let a report out that shows their product is bad and they only show good studies to the FDA to get approval.
     
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