Suppressing The Cure For Cancer

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  1. Ken Anderson

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    Here's a link to a multi-part video series about the causes, and things that the average person might be able to do reduce his or her chances of getting cancer, which is something my doctors have been unable to give me any help with. It's called The Truth About Cancer, and whether it's the truth or not, I don't really care. I am offering it here for anyone who might be interested in what they have to say.
     
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    There is a billion dollar business in cancer treatment and if they found a cure that would all go away. It is only obvious that they are protecting their interest. There has been many cancer cures and AMA destroyed them. Dr. Rife proved to the AMA that his machine would cure cancer in front of AMA doctors. When he refused to sell it to them they destroyed him. Canadian nurse Cassie who had a cure pass down from native American Indians the AMA went after her she refuse to treat people if the medical system would check it out and see if it works. The AMA agreed and 60+ years later they still have not finished the studies. There are many more.
     
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    If this is your bias information or it this is what you think I can see why you are not doing the research yourself.
    Quackwatch has been sued many times for bad information and even the medical system are trying to distance themselves from him. He was funded by pharmaceutical companies and webMD and now they are running away from him.
    Chrissy do some real research and no not listen to a liar Mr Barrett who quit medical school and claims he knows everything he is a fraud of the highest calibers
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/stevenbarrrettcourtroomdefeat20oct05.shtml
    http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm
    http://www.naturalnews.com/041832_quackwatch_Stephen_Barrett_defamation_lawsuit.html
     
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    I don't have cancer Martin. If I ever do, I will most definitely do my research. I will also ask the advise of some in my family who are in the medical field to guide me. I will go the conventional route because that's what I believe in.

    I've seen a few cured that were even late stage cancers, and if caught early your chances are high.
     
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    I looked up the suit....

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quackwatch

    [edit]Lawsuit
    Interestingly, if you do a Web search for Quackwatch, you're likely to come across a large number of blaring announcements like this: "Quackwatch founder loses in court!" "Quackwatch exposed as quack!" "Quackwatch loses lawsuit!" Nearly all of these accusations are on pseudo-scientific and untrustworthy "medical" Web sites of dubious quality. This also means that if you attempt to use Quackwatch as a verifiable source to prove that a "medical" Web site is lying or worse, they will immediately point to this accusation in order to "prove" that Quackwatch is not a reliable source. (For example, here's a link to The Cure Zone's mirror of the announcement calling the Quackwatch site untrustworthy: [1]) This all springs from one lawsuit that has been dragged through the courts for years – not by Quackwatch, but by Koren Publications, a chiropractor supply company. Quackwatch explains this lawsuit at these pages:

    The short answer seems to be that Stephen Barrett sued Koren for defamation, but his case was dismissed; he then appealed, but the appeal was denied. One side of the case (namely Koren) made a lot of noise about it, repeatedly trumpeting bulletins such as this on many different quack-medicine Web sites:
     
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    If I had cancer I would use anything and not just limit myself to the medical system that have only three ways of treating cancer and two of those ways cause cancer.

    If I went to the doctor I would asked a few questions.
    What percentage of your patients with my diagnosis have been cured? If a cure is not possible, then what should I expect?
    How many of your patients with my diagnosis have survived more than 5 years? 10years? 20 years?
    Would it be possible for me to talk to a few of the survivors to see what the quality of their lives is like?
    What legal solutions are available to me if the procedures administered by this hospital hurts me?
    Before treatment, will I be required to sign a waiver which releases the hospital or you from any harm caused by the treatment?
    Chemotherapy was proven to be 97% ineffective in treatment of adult onset cancer by a study published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology. Why are you recommending I do it?
    These are a few questions need to be answered before you put total trust in your doctor.
    Doctor will agree that the people who survive are the most cantankerous
     
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    I went through all this with my husband who had stage 3 colon cancer, Martin. The answers given by the oncologist were ones we liked and he lived for more than 10 yrs. had we caught the cancer earlier he might still be alive.

    My mom had thyroid cancer in 1997, she went the traditional method used for thyroid cancer, she is still alive.

    I have no reason to distrust oncologists, my experience with them has been postitive.

    My daughter's mother in law was diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer, a pretty deadly cancer.

    This was at least 8 yrs ago. She went to Stanford Medical Center which is a very good hospital in the area. She went thru surgery and chemo and maybe radiation. Last visit she was still cancer
    free.

    This is what I would choose for myself and my loved ones. You an choose what you want, Martin.

    Cancer is serious business and everyone should do there own research.
     
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    I think quackwatch needs a thread all of its own.
    Stephen Barrett, founder of Quackwatch, is a delicensed medical doctor. In addition, he failed the medical board exam required for a psychiatrist. His using the "MD" after his name is misleading and even fraudulent. He has never performed scientific research, nor written a scientific paper, but yet discredits Nobel Prize scientists such as Dr. Otto Warburg and Dr. Linus Pauling. Stephen Barrett is one BIG QUACK who is financed by the pharmaceutical industry that makes quack medicine. He was deemed "unworthy of credibility" in a court of law. Therefore, all his writings are medical quackery. There should be a picture of Stephen Barrett beside the words "nutcase" and "con artist" in the dictionary.
    http://www.encognitive.com/node/1213
     
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    That's your opinion, Martin and you're entitled to it. My opinion is that your sources are quackery and most of the time I'm afraid to even open your links.
     
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    Oops, I just saw now that I'm in the Conspiracy forum. Sorry.
     
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    This is not a conspiracy so maybe it should be put in the cancer area. How safe is the medical deities. One doctor made 35 million dollars giving chemotherapy drugs to people that did not have cancer. Well we are not supposed to say anything bad about these poor doctors trying to make a living.
    Farid Fata, Doctor Who Gave Chemo to Healthy Patients, Faces Sentencing

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cance...emo-healthy-patients-faces-sentencing-n385161
     
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    There are people in every profession that do illegal things. What does that have to do with the ethical drs. Out there?

    That Dr deserves prison if he did that.
     
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    That is a growing concern, not just in cancer treatment, but in all medical treatment by doctors. We read articles about Medicare abuse where doctors are prescribing drugs that people don't need, or sometimes instead of prescribing the drug that would work best for the patient, the doctor will prescribe the one that he makes the most off of prescribing.
    Although doctors do not actually get commissions on the drugs that they prescribe, they do receive payments from the drug companies when they promote specific drugs.
    Patented (usually synthetic) drugs make a lot more money for the pharmaceutical company than one using s natural medicine that can't be made synthetically; so those seem to be what the doctors want to prescribe.

    Just as my own example, when I was diagnosed as low-thyroid, I started reading up on the different drugs used to treat it, and for me, the best choice was the natural dessicated thyroid, which has all of the necessary .components that our thyroid gland needs.
    However, my doctor wanted to put me on the synthetic drug, and I had to argue with her and totally refuse to take the Synthroid before she would agree to put me on the natural thyroid.

    We all probably notice all of the television ads showing the many drugs that big pharma is trying to sell to everyone; but most of us don't realize that our own doctor is also trained to sell us drugs that help him financially.

    https://healthisahabit.live/2010/12...ng-paid-commission-to-prescribe-drugs-to-you/
     
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    Now, here's what has always troubled me-- ALWAYS. Routine examination results in cancer diagnosis. No outward symptoms, no variance from normal ranges in Complete Blood Count analysis, no visible sign of tumor growth in scans. Yet, a respected Specialist proclaims cancer present. This sort of situation is not unusual. My question?

    Does the diagnosed patient have cancer? If yes, and treatment relieves the "diagnosis", regardless of the treatment type, a partial or even complete "cure" is evident. If no, and treatment relieves the "diagnosis", regardless of the treatment type, a complete cure is evident after a reasonable period of time.

    Granted, there are unscrupulous Doctors, ones who would not hesitate to make that "diagnosis", then, if successful bidder for the patient's business, the Doctor has a Win-Win situation. Think I am being ridiculous?

    At age 19, I was referred to such an unmscrupulous Doctor, and Oral Surgeon, who proclaimed that I had a "tumor" in my upper jawbone. He scheduled a Cauldwell-Luc operation, also called Radical Maxillary Operation, a horrible,last-ditch procedure used when common tooth extraction fails to heal. Fortunately for me, my Dad had the "guts" to chance cancelling the operation. Our old Family Dentist of many years, removed the infected tooth, unknowing of any of the story. Six months later, routine check-up, everything totally healed, I revealed the whole story to him. He was shocked, showed me medical photographs of the RMO procedure, chilling and frightening to view. The Oral Surgeon could not have been mistaken in his diagnosis; he was a liar, a butcher, and a discredit to his Profession, as well as a criminal.

    Over 30 years later, visiting my dying sister in Chicago West Suburban Hospital, I noted on a big bronze plaque inside the lobby, the Oral Surgeon's name emblazoned as a member of the Board of Directors!

    Thanks for reading my rant. The hackles still rise today, at the thought of what he would have done to me. It looks like this: (WARNING)

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    Everybody is different Yvonne, synthroid works well for me. Also there is a site you can check to see if your dr gets any money for prescribing any drugs. My dr doesn't and most of them don't.
     
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    I absolutely agree... many don't. Mine doesn't although he knows some do. Some teachers abuse children. Some priests abuse altar boys. To lump all doctors together as being on the the take or prescribing/recommending so they can have a fatter wallet totally gets on my last nerve.

    My best friend in the world, as I mentioned here before, is a doctor... radiation oncologist (see, I AM on topic!) And he hates doctors doing that as much as most of the rest of us do. The drug reps wine and dine sure, but the good and ethical doctors reject that garbage.

    Patients are brought in and told about the various kinds of drugs and treatments and options. They make the decision sitting right there with at least one family member who will be able to help them. Sometimes they choose traditional treatments, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they choose watchful waiting.

    Like @Chrissy Page , I was going to stay out of this thread, but the amount of "fluff & stuff" that's floating around with misinformation is mind boggling. The spin, good gracious! :mad: There are "naturalists" and there are people who prefer more traditional and proven methods. Trying to get others to change opinions based on some crunchy naturalist websites is ridiculous. I *do* wonder how many pushers of the natural would choose their herbs and potions over traditional treatments if they actually end up with cancer, however. Might make an interesting and eye-opening study.

    I think we can make our minds believe a lot of things might work, but when push comes to shove..... yeah.
     
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    I agree Mari, every profession has people that abuse their position. My brother in law is a doctor and he never took money for prescribing anything. He would be really offended at the generalization that's going on here.
     
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    So would my friend. I wouldn't dare tell him what's going on or I'd be bombarded with all kinds of publications and journals and interviews so that I can set the record straight, and I'm just not up to *that* task at the moment. :D
     
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    You can spend just a little time researching whether there is a Conspiracy going on here and you will find much as I did...that there are those who believe a cure has been found for Cancer but it is being suppressed...and there are those who give just as many reasons that there is no Conspiracy going on here at all.

    My opinion is that there is no Conspiracy going on. I might feel different if there weren't so many different forms of cancer and different treatments for each kind in many cases. I don't think this is a "one size would fit all" area where those in research, etc. could come up with one pill that would cure all forms of cancer. Also if there was a pill or somethig that cured cancer I believe it would be really hard to suppress this cure since so many different professions and businesses, etc. are involved in trying to find a cure. Many of the people who work in these areas probably either know someone with cancer or may have dealt with cancer on a personal level. If there was a cure and it hit that close to home....we would all know about it by now. My opinion here is that this is just a theory...no conspiracy.
     
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    Also all the Rich people would be cured because they would pay every last cent of their millions to live.
     
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    :D Yes they would I agree totally with you on that Chrissy!
     
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    While I believe that it is quite possible that the cure for cancer has been suppressed (which is not the same thing as believing that this is true), I have trouble believing that doctors are getting a cut from prescribing specific types of medicine, if only because administering such a policy would be very difficult, given that the doctors don't tell us where to buy it. It is, I believe, illegal for them to accept such pay-offs, and I can't imagine the mechanics of continuing such a secret system. Plus, there is the fact that I know some of these doctors personally, have had lunch with my surgeon a few times even before he was my surgeon, and have every reason to believe that he is a Christian and man who would not be prescribing operations or medications that were not in my best interests for the sake of padding his bank account.

    That said, I am not convinced that the medical community is doing everything it can to eradicate cancer from among the population. If there is corruption on that point, I think it goes higher than the doctors who make the recommendations, the radiologists and surgeons who carry them out, and the pharmacist who fill the prescriptions.

    I'm going to digress for just a moment in order to make a point, which I will get back to. As I have mentioned elsewhere, I once worked for a pet food company and, during the course of this work, private studies that I have done, and my experiences with my own animals, I am convinced that vaccinations are, in many cases, more harmful than they are good, at least for cats, and that Science Diet is not the best thing that you can feed your pet. Under pressure from competition, they have improved their product, but the ingredients in Science Diet will tell you that they are not the best choice.

    Yet, many - if not most - veterinarians will recommend Science Diet if you ask them, if not more overtly. Even if you don't ask them, you will get that idea from the fact that so many of them sell Science Diet on-site and many of the placards and informational posters you see at the veterinary clinic will be from Science Diet. In this example, there is a monetary benefit to them for pushing Science Diet because the company offers a higher profit margin to them than any of the other pet food companies do.

    It goes beyond that, however. Regardless of the profit margin, I don't believe that most of these veterinarians would recommend Science Diet if they didn't believe that it was good for your pets.

    Science Diet is, or at least was (I haven't looked into it recently) a large donor to veterinary colleges, and they devote a substantial part of their budget to producing educational materials that are distributed to veterinary offices and used in continuing education programs for veterinarians. I think this plays into it more than the monetary gains. Veterinarians believe that Science Diet is a healthy choice for your pets, so they feel good about recommending it. Busy running their veterinary practice, they don't take the time to compare ingredients of formulas from other companies and review these ingredients along with what they know about what is good for a cat or a dog.

    Like the rest of us, they read articles in veterinary magazines, which may also be funded by Science Diet, and if it makes sense to them, they go with it, particularly if the author or the magazine are well respected in veterinary circles. This is backed up by studies that are funded by Science Diet. The result is that a large number of them believe they are doing the right thing in recommending Science Diet pet food to you, and they did this even when the number one ingredients used in Science Diet were far worse than they are today.

    If the medical community is suppressing natural treatments or even a cure for cancer, I don't believe that this conspiracy is perpetrated by the doctors who diagnose you and recommend treatment or by the surgeons, radiologists, and other medical professionals who carry out the treatment.

    If there is a conspiracy here, it is at the educational level, I believe. Even then, it is probably not being perpetrated by those who teach the classes in medical school, but by those who prepare the materials that they use and the studies that lead to them.

    Finally, I am not saying that I believe there is such a conspiracy, only that I haven't ruled it out. It fits well into the idea that there are too many people on the earth and we need to get rid of most of them, for the sake of the planet and the powerful individuals who remain.
     
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    No conspiracy not much when they find a cure you cannot have it.
    Cancer Cured In Canada, But Big Pharma Says NO WAY!

    DCA - Cancer Cure Discovered - But YOU can't have it....
     
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    Yes... this is accurate. That doesn't mean the drug reps don't try to get their own stuff preferred... they give stuff away, they even send lunches into the clinics sometimes ;) but the reaction is generally more like "sheesh, those silly drug reps think this will make a difference" instead of "wow, they had pizza sent in for us, we're going to recommend their drugs and get kickback!" :rolleyes:

    I don't think a cure has been suppressed. I think maybe some of the research has been slowed/delayed that may have made a difference at some point... and I'm not sure that if someone discovered eating oysters and brussels sprouts with a Hershey bar will slow progression, that the research would make the Red Journal (just Mari being goofy, I didn't *really* hear that! :p)... but a cure? Nah.
     
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