Staying Safe In Retirement & Leisure

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  1. Neville Telen

    Neville Telen Well-Known Member
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    It couldn't hurt. The more layers of security you have, the more secure you are. That said, I would put more faith in a shotgun or derringer by the bed, or if you don't have what it takes to pull the trigger (not everyone can), then this would be a good second choice:
    https://www.bushcraftpro.com/best-bear-spray-reviews/
     
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    I have a Colt .45 Single-Action Revolver, by Ruger.

    The gun I keep at arms reach is my S&W Model 13 Military & Police .357 Magnum Revolver.

    My wife owns a Ruger .22 semi-Automatic pistol.

    We're well protected, but in our 20 years of retirement living in the High Desert, we've never had to grab for our pieces!

    Hal & Judy
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    I won't get into what we have, but they are locked in a glass gun case in a closet. Clips are full, but not inside any firearm. Since living in this complex, we haven't had the need to pull anything out.

    However, two years ago, the Halloween I fell in my Darth Vader costume at a restaurant (my fault), we were sitting in our living room with our outside Halloween lights on, waiting for any Trick or Treaters. My wife would have to answer the door, because I couldn't walk on the foot and sitting in my recliner. After a few Trick or Treaters, I asked my wife to shut off the outside Halloween lights, pull the shade and close the curtains. She did that and we were enjoying something on tv. Someone knocked at our door, could probably hear our tv on, I turned down the tv volume and my wife said "sorry, no more candy". All of a sudden, we could see that someone was trying to open our door! The door was locked (deadbolt and knob), but we could see the knob turning some. I said kind of loudly, "go away, we have no more candy". The person or person's went away. Unfortunately, that we never did again, our peep hole in the front door was covered by a Halloween decoration.
    I immediately called our next door neighbor and told her what had happened, but she didn't seem to phased by it. Next day I told the complex manager, but nothing she could do.

    Should've we got one of our firearms and put the clip in, just don't know. The incident was scary, but at least the person didn't use their body to try and break the door in. The apartments in this building are so close, someone would have hear that noise (door being broke in).

    Another note, we don't have a Concealed Weapons Permit, so no firearm on us or in a vehicle. We aren't out late at night and, basically, don't get around any "undesirable" people.
     
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    @Cody Fousnaugh It isn't as though we can choose who we will run into while "out and about", though.

    IMO, when extreme danger presents, it almost always comes with little warning, little time to think things out, add those to the reaction time inherent in our abilities, if you reach the conclusion you need your firearm, fumbling for the key to a locked cabinet if you even reach that point, it will already be too late.
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  5. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Well, we just don’t feel comfortable having a loaded gun anywhere in our apartment. I’m sure there are others that feel the same way.
    We have never lived anywhere where we’d have to worry.
     
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    You are correct in saying that danger appears when you least expect it. We are isolated here, and you cannot see our house from any road. I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Sanford Strong. He was once on the San Diego Police Department, and when he retired, he had a business training law enforcement in de-escalation techniques and non-violent intervention. He once produced a video for civilian use that outlined all the "wives' tales" that people believe make them safe. One was "If you break down, stay with the car." He demonstrated how easy it was for someone to extract you from your vehicle with a crow bar, lug wrench, or baseball bat. If you crack your window, you can be maced. One of the best defenses in a dark room is the sound of racking a round into a 12 gauge.
     
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    @Don Alaska
    I like your post a lot! Agree with the sound, too! Like shotguns for self defense, but would like one the best for in-the-house if it were much shorter and easier to move about, especially in near or total darkness. That option was taken from us by the government via National Firearms act. In fact, the FBI finagled a trumped-up (no pun) charge against Randy Weaver claiming he possessed a shotgun having a barrel 3/8-inch shorter than the law allows.

    Anyone interested in firearms-self defense, whether first-time entry into the topic, or seasoned gun-owner, really can benefit from reading Massad Ayoob's book "In the Gravest Extreme, the role of the firearm in personal protection". He thoroughly investigates self defense, all aspects, even down to pros and cons of caliber. His background is illustrious: served with a New England police department 1972 - '80, certified weapons instructor with the Advanced Police Training Program of New Hampshire. He is a champion pistol tournament winner and holds many records. He writes in a most informative way.
    Frank
     
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    I don't own a gun and even though I live in Fresno, a city with lots of gang activity it's usually centered around central Fresno.

    I don't leave my 10 mile radius of safe neighborhoods because there is no reason for me to..everyhing I can possibly need I have...in fact in multiples.

    In the 10 mile radius I bet I have 5 Targets, 3 Costcos, etc. best hospital, drs, 100 Walgreens lol...just kidding but I think they're on every corner.

    If they're not then there is a CVS. :)

    Only thing I don't have nearby is the courthouse....and I got off jury duty...somewhat. I need another signature.

    My original date was 12-18-17 and was postponed to June 18 and now I got another few months but I called them yesterday and said I just can't do it...and they said they just need another signature .I'm sure they'll excuse me.

    I have ADT security and Pickles. I won't be surprised with anyone standing over my bed at night. It's a very loud alarm.

    Even if I had a gun...don't know if I could use it.

    Maybe if my grandsons lives were in danger, yes but just me...don't know for sure.
     
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    I fear the threat of gun banning because then we would all be at risk, and the criminal element would have nothing to fear.

    Although I would rather not go into any detail about any firearms that I own, I do own firearms. I don't know that I feel any safer having a firearm in the house or not because, living in Millinocket, I wouldn't feel particularly unsafe without them. I do, however, feel safer living in a place where most people have firearms because that, and the size of the town, are the reasons why there is very little serious crime here.

    Otherwise, being more than an hour away from the nearest county or state law enforcement headquarters, we'd be pretty vulnerable here with only one cop on duty at any given time. At the time of the only murder that we have had in several years, it is believed that the killers first called in a fake crime report on the other side of town, probably so that our only on-duty cop wouldn't be near enough to hear the gunshots and respond.

    So, while I would feel pretty safe here without any weapons, I wouldn't feel as safe if the bad guys had reason to believe that I was unarmed. Plus, I like shooting and I feel safer at our isolated cabin if I am armed, although I do forget to bring one more often than not.
     
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    Randy Weaver was encouraged to create an illegal weapon by the very same FBI, alleged to infiltrate the Skinhead culture, if I remember correctly. You can cut one off at 18 1/2 inches (I think) and it is still legal. Criminals realize that you don't have to be a skilled marksman to cause damage with a shotgun, and there is less danger of wall penetration beyond your target than with handguns or rifles. I once went hunting with a friend who kept a barely-legal pump shotgun for bear defense. He worked for the CIA, and obtained the shotgun from a policeman friend.
     
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    If I had an isolated cabin in the woods then I'd feel the need to have a gun. Wild animals or some crazy wandering nut scares me...maybe Ive seen too many horror movies :)

    Here I have my security system...a sheriff lives in the house behind me. The police station is only a few blocks away and they're never that busy since this is the good area of Fresno.
     
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    Ken, we are safe most of the time here, too, but my wife starting getting death threats from the husband of a friend who was getting a divorce from an abuse situation. She stated carrying a handgun in her fanny pack around the place when I was at work. I always felt she would hesitate to use it if needed, and it would then be used against her. She now carries a "taser-type" weapon when in uncomfortable situations. She has never had to use either one. We have a trooper station only about 3 miles away, but that still can be too long in a bad situation, even if a trooper is available to respond.
     
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    @Don Alaska Never forget, when seconds count, the police are only 30 minutes away.
    Frank
     
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    @Don Alaska My choice of shotgun for defense purposes is the High Standard 10-B Police Shotgun:

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    I have owned two; both are gone. Legal, the overall length is 26", with barrel length 18". This is achieved via the "bullpup" design, where the trigger sets forward of the action, with no shoulder stock except the curved pivoting piece. Front sight folds down, backwards, the carrying handle is optional; mine had none. However the appurtenance right of the handle is a flashlight mount. Semiautomatic, I believe 4 rounds capacity, extended tube magazine raised that to 6 or 7. 12 gauge only. A 26" long shotgun is ideal when swung about inside a cluttered residence.

    Originally aimed at the police marketplace, public distaste for these displayed in patrol cars, upright against the dashboard, prompted a civilian ownership campaign, but still, production was discontinued around 1970. I remember seeing them in the cop cars as a kid, and thought how thrilled I would be to have one! First one bought at a gun show in Phoenix, second from an individual who had one new in the box, with flashlight! Recently I contacted a gentleman selling one: very good condition, $1295. Licensed dealer. To buy, I would have to send him copy of the FFL # (Federal Firearms License) of my dealer here, along with full payment, fill out the Federal Firearms Purchase Form 4473, undergo background check, AND pay my dealer a fee ($45). Not my way of buying.
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    "He once produced a video for civilian use that outlined all the "wives' tales" that people believe make them safe. One was "If you break down, stay with the car." He demonstrated how easy it was for someone to extract you from your vehicle with a crow bar, lug wrench, or baseball bat. If you crack your window, you can be maced. "

    @Don Alaska , what would you recommend that a woman do instead?
     
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    I have a big knife under my bed....don't know why because I'm pretty sure I'd rather shoot someone than stab them...ugh.
     
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    Shirley, I am no expert. Mr. Strong said, if conditions allow, leave your vehicle and hide in a nearby location where you can see your vehicle, but not be easily seen from the roadway. Call for help if you can. If a MARKED law enforcement vehicle or uniformed police officer stops to check out the vehicle, step out of hiding and identify yourself as the owner of the vehicle. He showed a video taken by a woman who had followed his advice. Her video showed her car being vandalized and contents stolen while she was in hiding recording the proceedings. Obviously, weather and terrain can be factors that would affect your actions.
     
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    @Chrissy Cross Me, too. A really, really big knife. And lots of guns. ;) And pepper spray.
     
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    Well I don't have all that but maybe I should keep some Tabasco,sauce under my bed...a squirt in the eye would really p*ss off someone.

    Then I'd run. My bed is right next to a sliding glass door...I'd be in my back yard but I'd scream.
     
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    I would suspect your choice of retirement location was a wise one, and doubt there are that many thugboys roaming the desert.
     
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    My advice would be that if you feel you are in danger, or think you are in danger, its far better to load up before you know you are in danger. Little late to go for the gun, and put in some bullets, after the door has been kicked in. Worst case, it turns out the danger passes, false alarm, you have to unload, and put the gun away...I think you can probably survive that.
     
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    Go to a gun training class. That will give you an idea whether or not you can handle it, without having to buy a gun. Some go to a few classes, find out its nowhere near as awful as they thought, become desensitized, and buy their own gun. Some go to one class, never go back, and settle for Bear Repellent.
     
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    @Neville Telen
    Please reveal your source as to some doing one thing and some another. Not nit-picking, OK? Just wonder how we might explain to folks considering arming themselves, how to examine their own motives as well as personal foibles, stumbling blocks, hesitance, guarded reluctance.

    Fact remains, if one has been personally violated, or one feels he/she ought to not allow himself/herself to be personally violated, by some intrusive person bent on harming them, the single best means of protection to fight back against such intrusion, is the handgun. Forget pepper spray, Tasers, Mace, knives, clubs hidden on one's person (?), sharp fingernails, whistles (!?), umbrellas, only a handgun remains the most effective personal protection means. An antagonist with anything less is decidedly negated.

    The above is a self-evident fact. Carrying through on it for yourself is another matter. If local law precludes buying/carrying a gun, one is faced with the further decision, assuming a gun has been decided upon, of whether to become a law-breaker to carry a gun, or remain fodder for the criminal. I would much rather be charged with the crime of carrying a gun, if it saved my life, than becoming a crime statistic of killed by a criminal who likely will never be brought to justice. This philosophy incidentally is quite parallel to the advice put forth by Massad Ayoob, of whom I mentioned elsewhere. HE knows the score.
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    No source, just common sense. Some are scared of the unknown. Guns are an unknown To get over that you have to become familiar with a gun...best way is to take a gun safety class, then a shooting class. First you must overcome the general fear of being able to handle it safely. If you are too afraid to go near it because you are convinced it will go off at the slightest touch...you are at an impasse. Next you have to overcome the fear of actually firing it. Best way is take a class where an instructor teaches you how. Both sorts of training classes ( safety class and shooting class) usually supply guns there,so you don't have to invest in buying your own. Guns are not for everyone. Some can overcome fears and some cannot. Some can pull the trigger on a home invader, and some cannot. I think classes are the best way to begin to find out what you can and cannot do, at minimal expense:
    https://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx
    Find a safety class in your area. If it turns out you can deal with that, find a shooting class in your area. If it turns out you can deal with that, buy a gun, find a shooting range, and practice marksmanship. One step at a time. This advice is meant for Americans. I have no idea what is or is not available in other countries, gun laws, etc.
     
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