Sexual Abuse In The Catholic Church

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  1. Chrissy Cross

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    A lot of it happened in Pittsburgh...I was looking thru all the names to see if I recognized any but seems it was after I left Pittsburgh and especially after leaving Catholic school.
     
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    Its a worldwide problem isn't it
    I won't say anymore, find it too upsetting :)
     
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    Remember that most of them are fine people. If you probe the public school system, many of the Protestant denominations or any other organization, you would find similar. The Catholic Church is a convenient target because it is the biggest.
     
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    Are you Catholic @Don Alaska ..I forget.

    I always think of myself as Catholic but ....it's not even the sexual abuse that was horrible, which it was...but the massive cover up.

    Sorry....don't want to take this off topic but just felt the need to reply.
     
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    Ok...looks like Ken started the topic for me.....
     
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    I split this topic from another forum because the topic of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church was introducing a new topic. The original discussion was in a Titles thread.
     
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    Not Catholic @Chrissy Cross. I am currently attending a Catholic Church, but have attended many different churches. For many years, I attended two different churches--two denominations--every weekend.
     
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    That's fine. I know I always go off topic. :)

    Anyway, some of the Catholic ladies that sat near me at the luncheon on Wednesday were discussing it a little and most thought that maybe the priests should be allowed to marry, so they can have sex.

    I don't know if that's the answer because normal sex and being a pedophile are two different things.
     
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    About ten years ago, when we were going through another huge media campaign against sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, there had been far more cases of sex abuse in the public schools, yet they were usually being reported locally. In other words, the media didn't gather them all together to make a sensation about sex abuse in the public schools. I don't know what the statistics are this time around but, in the most recent scandal, they are going back seventy years, I think, and including sex abuse cases that had already been reported, probably in order to inflate the numbers.

    I am not a Catholic, and surely this doesn't excuse the very real cases of abuse that have occurred, but keep in mind that an anti-Christian agenda is also in play here.
     
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    @Don Alaska
    I know it goes on in other establishments Don, the difference is I looked up to priests and Nuns
    I no longer do - they have been uncovered and their evil deeds go back so many years up to the present day
     
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    And like I said before....the ones that did the deed are guilty and so are all the ones that covered it up...that's what really gets my goat.
     
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    @Patsy Faye

    Ah, but see? Sin is to be forgiven, according to Catholic Doctrine.......but release from the mental torment and anguish of knowing one has sinned, must be accomplished via "confession" to only a bona-fide, clean and pure Agent of the Church.
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    Sexual abuse occurs everywhere....in homes, at work, in schools, in Nursing homes, etc. and most unfortunately in Christian Churches. It's evil wherever it happens, but for some reason as a Christian I find it most upsetting that it happens in our Churches by the very Shepherds who are supposed to be taking care of God's sheep...instead of abusing them.

    It is my opinion that because the Catholic Church insists on celibacy for their Clergy, etc. that this does have some bearing on the problem of sexual abuse within the Catholic Church. This is not Biblical doctrine but something decided by the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Yes, one can probably find sexual abuse within a Church of any denomination. But the difference is in the Catholic Church it is more sexual abuse of children and it has been covered up forever...or the parents paid off, etc. Having been raised a Catholic for many years of my life I have personally known of some of these cases of sexual abuse. The child was "groomed" to believe that doing what the sexual predator wanted was what God would want them to do. The damage done to these children "in the name of loving God" is horrible and has in my book left these children scarred for life.

    No money can bring healing to those who have been abused by the Clergy in the Catholic Church...or in any other denomination either in my opinion.
     
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    The Pope says he will address sex abuse scandal once he's finished talking about climate change. -- Babylon Bee

    Note: The Babylon Bee is satire.
     
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    Yes - if sin is to be forgiven, then they take up the post of Priest or Nun, knowing full well they will be protected of the abuse they dish out
    I detest everyone that lives a life of utter deceit
     
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    I absolutely agree with your conclusion, @Chrissy Cross . Just letting priests marry is only going to solve a small bit of the problem, because that is not the actual cause of it.
    The fact is, human predators that actively prey on small, innocent children will search out ways to be involved in places where children are readily available.
    It is not just the Catholic Church that has this problem, just that it has been made public and in the news more often. And like @Don Alaska pointed out, the Catholic Church is so very large that it seems like the percentage is higher there.
    I remember reading some time ago that the Big Brother organization had the same problem, and so do the the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

    If a predator wants to have access to children, then they will seek out any kind of organization and become involved, just for the easy access it avails them.
    So, in my thoughts, it is not that good people became priests (or Big Brothers) and then became child molesters, but that they were already doing that , and joined the church or organization to have the availability of being closely involved with vulnerable children.
     
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    Exactly right in my opinion
     
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    When the NAMBLA (National Man-Boy Love Association) recommendations and membership became publicized a number of years ago, the Catholic Priesthood wasn't on the list I saw, as it required years of education and a LOT of commitment. The Pedophilia recommendations were #1) Public School teachers, followed by Scout leaders, and athletic trainers and coaches. Quite a number of homosexual men became priests after Vatican II because the standards for priests were lowered, and it was a good refuge from the scorn of society. Even if/when they were "outted", they were still bound to the oath of chastity. My experience with priests is that they often tend to remain spoiled children since they have no family responsibilities and their every need for life (housing, food, medical, etc.) is always provided. Most of them never have to grow up unless they have been married in the past or are one of the rare married priests.
     
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    On a related topic, I predicted many years ago, in the early days of the gay rights movement, that we might live to see a time when pedophilia is normalized. No, I am not equating the two; gay people are not necessarily pedophiles, but the movement is the same, and the pedophiles are taking the same steps that the gay rights movement took, and are getting the predictable results. It is no longer considered to be a mental disorder unless the pedophile is bothered by the condition. People lobbying for it are often couching it in the language of age discrimination or the rights of a child, and they don't seem to be automatically placed on a sex offender's watch list.

    Many in the gay rights movement were initially opposed to adding transexuals to the protected list, but they later accepted them into the alphabet string, and I expect they'll accept a "P" to the list as well, although they'll probably find a friendlier-sounding term than "pedophile."

    Many of those, particularly on the left, who are seemingly outraged over the Catholic Church scandals are so because Catholic are Christians and they will never pass up an opportunity to be outraged over something involving Christians.
     
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    @Ken Anderson
    The information you revealed is disgusting, at best, revolting or worse.
    Frank
     
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    Agreed, but I think it's going to happen.
     
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    @Ken Anderson
    Sign-makers will quickly produce and offer up for sale banners proclaiming, "LEGALIZE PEDOPHILIA!"
     
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    Trump in December wrote a presidential [mandate] to declare they would confiscate all money from anyone to does acts against humanity like child trafficking pedophilia. What would happen if the US department of Justice took over the churches and when after the Vatican. The Catholic church is in a bad situation right now as Cardinals all around the world are leaving the church or being prosecuted for crimes.
    [mandate] because I could not think of the right word
     
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    That would be a bad idea, I think.
     
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    The Vatican has been in bad think since they gave passports to high up Germans to escape in WW2. There has been one scandal after another covered up by the Vatican. They need a way to shut them down. Maybe take away their protective status and let people sue the for damages. Let the people who have been damaged get revenge
     
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