Obama Guns

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  1. Martin Alonzo

    Martin Alonzo Very Well-Known Member
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    Obama’s speech with fake tears that we need to do something about guns was a joke. When you have tears you noise will also run his did not. He did not have tears for the million/billions of people the US have been killing all around the world. Actually when Clinton said we went into Libya we seen and he died [Kaddafi] and laugh. This is a sign of a government out of control.

    Obama is trying to find ways of limiting gun ownership in the US on the other hand selling guns to mentally imparted people overseas. What a double standard the amount of crime is decreasing and they still blame guns if the guns are all the US ‘s problem why do they allow police to carry them most of the killing is done by police.

    Who do they sell most guns to S. Arabia who has the worst record of human rights and they pass them along to the terrorist.
     
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  2. Brittany Houser

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    It's not about the safety of American citizens. Obviously we will be less safe without any means of protecting ourselves. It's about trampling the hated Constitution, yet again! It's about being in control of the country and the citizenry that he has such a loathing for! It may also be about a revolution, albeit a smallish one. Some people will not bow to the socialist, totalitarian agenda, even if we have to go down fighting.
     
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    The president does not have the power to make laws or change the constitution. Any executive action he makes that does either of these is not a law and we, the people, are not obliged to obey them.
     
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    Unfortunately, he does have the power to jail you for not obeying his personally crafted laws, power given to him by a Congress that refuses to deny him anything, and a Supreme Court which has upheld the enforceability of executive orders. Congress could fix it, but they won't.
     
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    I just want your guns so our children will be safe. You can keep your Bibles, for now.

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    Oh God! Every time I see this evil man, I want to puke!
     
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    Will only say this........have nothing against Obama. If I didn't like him, nothing I could do about that either. Just saying.

     
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  8. Mari North

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    Oh, Brittany, you said that so very well! A loud "hear hear!" from Mari's soapbox. I know that you're right... little by little our constitutional rights are being taken away. Now I *know* that not everyone in Congress or other positions of authority want that to happen, so I don't understand why they don't SEE it happening. Is staying with the party line so all-fired important that they'll risk freedom, security, the FUTURE?! Apparently so. :(

    Is it not a no-brainer that anyone who'd use guns in a terroristic way probably [sarcasm mode on] aren't going to waltz into WalMart and register their AK47 at the gun counter! Good gracious! :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Mari North

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    Oh, for crying out loud! So THIS is what I've been hearing about. (the photo, I mean) I thought it was made up. Sheesh. I look like this when I peel onions. It's really not a hardship to produce crocodile tears... it's taught in drama and acting schools every day. I can make myself cry in half a minute flat if I think about certain things...

    Thank goodness it's finally 2016. But wait... what if.... NOOOO, it couldn't be. Our fellow countrymen and women couldn't *possibly* replace this man with ... oh Lordy, God Bless America Again. (old Loretta Lynn song... goes through my mind a LOT lately.) :(
     
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    A body language expert says, in her book written long before Obama's last speech, that when sociopaths cry, they usually tear up one eye at a time, wiping each eye individually, while when normal people cry, they tend to tear up in both eyes at the same time. Sociopaths cry real tears but they learn how to do that for effect, rather than it being something that comes naturally.
     
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  11. Lara Moss

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    I am confused. Why aren't assault rifles banned from public purchase…no background checks needed…just say no? Assault rifles aren't used for personal protection. They aren't used for hunting. Assault rifles are for mass killing only and should only be allowed for military. Why doesn't everyone, Obama, lawmakers, NRA, etc understand this?? Seems like such simple logic.
     
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    Lara, assault rifles have been banned for civilian use since the Mobster era of the 1930s. The media and those wanting to ban guns have found using the term "assault rifle" to be effective to people who have no or limited knowledge about guns.

    The military does use assault weapons and soldiers became familiar with using them and liked them so gun manufacturers started changing the style of deer and target rifles to look and handle like the rifles soldiers were familiar with. The function of these rifles is no different than your fathers old Winchester, they only look different. They are used for hunting and target shooting, and personal protection.

    So the simple truth is those wanting to do away with the right to own guns are lying to mislead the public.
     
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  13. Lara Moss

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    Please forgive my unfamiliarity with assault rifle jargon. The NY Times (Dec 3, 2015) called them assault rifles used in recent mass killings (also NBC and the Washington Examiner)so I think you know what I'm referring to. We all know what the NY Times is referring to. Here is the link to their pictures of the rifles and what they call them: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0

    Excepts from the NY Times link above:
    "Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, husband and wife, killed 14 people at a holiday office party in San Bernardino, Calif. Four guns were recovered: a Smith & Wesson M&P assault rifle, a DPMS Panther Arms assault rifle, a Smith & Wesson handgun and a Llama handgun."

    Christopher Harper-Mercer, 26, killed nine people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, where he was a student. He was armed with six guns, including a Glock pistol, a Smith & Wesson pistol, a Taurus pistol and a Del-Ton assault rifle, according to The Associated Press.

    So my point is "Why aren't these assault rifles or assault-style rifles (whatever you want to call them) banned from public use since they aren't used for squirrel hunting nor personal protection?"


     
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    The N Y Times don't know a clip from a barrel. Technically, any rifle used in an assault on someone is an assault rifle. The rifle don't have to be black and scary looking.
    Military rifles or assault rifles, to the non shooting masses, are used for defense, hunting and competition shooting. The camp Perry national matches use some military rifles and are open to civilian shooters.
    If you were responsible for protecting your home and family, wouldn't you want a gun at least equal to or better than those used by the dirt bags?
     
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    I raised a family of 4 (from ages 1 - 8yrs) as a single mom and never owned a gun. I've never owned one. So I really can't answer your question. All I want to know is why we can't ban rifles that can kill masses of people without reloading even. And ban violent video games while they're at it.
     
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    Why? Because too many of todays politicians don't know squat about guns, having never been in the military, nor even handled guns. They fight over magazine capacity. Is 6 or 7 bullets ok in a pistol, but 10 or 15 too many? Same with rifle magazines. And, they fight over gun types. Ban automatic weapons? Semi-autos? Repeaters or what? Make gun manufacturers responsible for how their weapons are used? Yeah, that'll work about as well as all their drug laws have stopped drug abuse.
    Education is the answer. Before liberals took over the educational system in America, kids learned right from wrong, good from bad. So, I may sound radical but, along with education, we need to weed out all the liberals from any position of power or control. Only then will we see improvement.
    Yes, I'm running for president.:D
     
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  17. Ken Anderson

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    Most people, of those who don't know guns, will consider any rifle with a magazine and other accessories to be an assault rifle because, to them, it's a scarier looking gun.

    assault-rifle-hunting-rifle-comparison.jpg
    For example, these two weapons are basically the same gun, the chief difference being the furniture. Here's another, with different guns but basically the same power.

    AR-15 & Mini-14.png

    By the way, the primary purpose for the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution is to allow Americans to have protection against a future tyrannical government, not for hunting or target shooting, although guns serve those purposes as well.
     
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    Thank you Ken & Ike for educating me on the anatomy of guns (that sounds sarcastic but not at all). I appreciate it.

    As far as banning guns, let me make it simple for the lawmakers, etc. How many bullets does it take to kill a deer before needing to reload? How many to kill a person attacking you? Maybe 3? Maybe 4? (taking into account you're a bad shot lol). Take that number and ban all guns that have a larger bullet capacity before having to reload.

    Guns should be for personal protection and hunting. We have the military to protect us from a future tyrannical government. We need control of some sort. Checking background history isn't working. Education isn't working. Ignoring the need for mental evaluations, treatments, programs, etc (free and available) isn't happening. Our children are dying.
     
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    The police, who are trained in the use of a weapon, and have to qualify annually, at least, routinely fire far more than that. In real life, people don't always fall down dead just because they've been shot.

    Here's from the first page of Google Results.
     
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  20. Ike Willis

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    How can you be sure only one person will attack you at a time? Home invasions often include more than one, or even two. How about a riot situation?
    Don't blame gun manufacturers for mass killings. Put the blame on Obama and other liberals like him. Obama is responsible for the record breaking gun sales. All he has to do is make noise about gun control, and sales of guns skyrocket. Ultimately, some of them will get into wrong hands. Then, the Obama type politicians have more ammo to push gun control.
     
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    Ahhhh, boy! My last forum attended "went postal" about the firearms question, to the extent that folks were being kicked out. But, as a lifelong shooter of firearms, I will enter the fray, lightly. Very few politicians outwardly embrace gun ownership by the masses, nor are they at all familiar with them, IMO. Vice President Dick Cheney was a shooter, and accidently shot his friend in the ass. Not a "good showing", but at least he was not outwardly "anti-gun".

    In another forum, with heavy membership consisting of Canadians and Australians, those folks consistently fought with U.S. folks insisting their countries have proven much safer since private gun ownership was virtually eliminated. I, for one, wouldn't argue with 'em, but I will put forth my opinion in this way: I personally do not care or wish to fight the anti-gun politicians or the government they support; they surely are failing at supporting their constituents' needs. There are an estimated 40,000 laws on the books in America, pertaining to guns. Those laws are constantly being broken, by criminals, who may or may not have been a criminal, before they violated one of those laws.

    Ban certain kinds of firearms, no matter, many folks will still have them, in violation of the law: the government thus makes CRIMINALS out of previously law-abiding citizens, by passing a law! Aside from that fact, but also very significant, the government DENIES the disarmed citizens their right to self-defense use of firearms. I will always have a gun. If it ever reaches a point of search and confiscation, I will still have a gun. Even if I have to make my own.

    And, the bravado statement made by Charlton Heston, as President of the N.R.A., "I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands", is ridiculous, when you think about it. Go to war against the government? Suicidal. Give up your life over possession of a tool? Hardly a smart move. Gun gone? Simply get another. Frank

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_my_cold,_dead_hands
     
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  22. Mari North

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    So many feelings on this one. Okay, first of all, I can't adapt the "government to protect us from a future tyrannical government" idea. Twenty years ago maybe I could have, but now it would be saying I trust the government to do what's right for me and my family. Trust the government. Ain't gonna happen unless there are some drastic changes. Sad but true.

    Besides, aren't we knee-deep into that kind of scary government/environment already?

    Our children are dying for many reasons. Saying "you're not allowed to have a gun" is not going to stop the "bad guys" from having guns. In fact, it would probably make it worse... black market is powerful, ya know.

    Now, let me say that guns scare me. A lot. So I do not fight to "own a gun" because I don't own one and never have. I am, however, a VERY strong constitutional rights fighter, and that's something I'll always defend. They've taken enough of my constitutional rights and threw them in the sewer in the last 8 years. Going after the right to bear arms better not be next.
     
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    Mari, you are one of a rarely-encountered person who sees that principles involved take precedence over the guns debate. Frank
     
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    All of the suggestions that you say are not working, @Lara Moss , are things that are directed at regulating LAWFUL gun owners. Lawful gun owners have legal weapons, criminals have both legal and illegal weapons; and none of our gun laws affect the criminals at all.
    Any of the shooters that used illegal assault weapons obviously are not legal gun owners, so banning those weapons is not going to stop anything.

    My parents had guns, my father and mother were both excellent marksmen, and I learned to shoot when I was in my early teens. Since that time, I have owned guns. Mostly just my .22 rifle that I used for predators when living out in the country (and alone), and also a small handgun that I carried when I traveled.
    If someone is breaking in your house, or a marauding bear is attacking your children, calling 911 is not going to do much good at all.
    We don't have guns anymore, because Bobby does not want any guns around; so I gave mine to my son when we moved from Idaho.

    I know that I am a "tin-foil hat" person; but I also believe that a good many of these shootings are deliberately set up. Some of the shooters even believed and tried to tell people that they were the victim of mind control.
    Others, might not even have happened at all.
    The video from the church in Georgia where the white guy shot the black church people, if you look at the time stamp on the video, it was filmed in the early morning, and not at night. The time runs in what is called "military time" and goes to 24:00 hours, not 12:00. So, a time stamp of 8:30 (or whatever it was) would be morning, not evening, when the shootings were supposed to have happened.
    There are excellent YouTube videos showing this if you care to investigate.
     
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    Amazing information, Yvonne! Of course, why not create fodder to further substantiate the "need" to enhance "public safety" by taking away it's guns! Nah! Government wouldn't kill people with utter disregard!

    Or would it? Freedom of Information Act info revealed, very quietly, that our CIA, having "thought to be accurate" information that a certain Official of another country whom our government wanted eliminated, would be on a certain train in France, and derailed the train intentionally, an "unfortunate accident. Innocent people were killed and maimed. The target person was not on the train. This happened I believe in the late 1970's. Frank
     
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