Kindle Fire

Discussion in 'Gadgets & Tech Talk' started by Ken Anderson, Oct 1, 2015.

  1. Diane Lane

    Diane Lane Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,590
    Likes Received:
    4,020
    Which is lighter, Ken, is it the Paperwhite version?
    Thanks, Ken, do those come in various generations or releases, and if so, does the version matter much with regard to being able to download books? I'm not sure it matters much if they're dedicated readers, but I know it made a big difference with the Apple products, because the older versions became virtually unusable for certain functions, since the newer apps wouldn't work.
     
    #26
  2. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    7,459
    Likes Received:
    9,817
    There are different generations, yes. Until a few months ago, when I sat on it, I had one of the first generations, which I liked because it came with its own Internet connection (good only for accessing the Amazon Kindle store for buying and downloading books) and because it had an actual plastic keyboard and real buttons to push to advance or reverse pages. Up until then, I had no problem downloading books with it.
     
    #27
    Diane Lane likes this.
  3. Diane Lane

    Diane Lane Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,590
    Likes Received:
    4,020
    I think especially if I cut off my television service, I'll probably be reading more, so I might end up buying a dedicated reader. I looked around on eBay at the Kindles, but since I'm not at all familiar with them, I think I'd better do some research before acting. It's too bad they didn't incorporate that dedicated connection into the newer models, because that would be a plus for me.
     
    #28
  4. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    @Diane Lane , you really only have a few basic choices with the Kindles. The ones that are only ereaders come in a couple of versions, such as the ones with a real keyboard, and later ones had a virtual one.
    Of the Kindle fire, there are earlier versions, and then the newer ones, and pretty much both would work fine for what you want to do.
    The newer version can connect with bluetooth, and some have dolby stereo speakers; but they all have the basic functions that you would need for both reading, and going on the internet.

    When you look at the pictures of them on ebay, the older ones have a (yellow?) line that goes across that you slide to open the Kindle, and the newer versions will have a line with a padlock pictured on it. They usually have more storage space; but if you are not using a lot of apps and storing things on there, the older ones have plenty of room for basic use.
    The older ones should be pretty cheap, since even the newer ones have come down a lot in price. I really do not think that the weight will be an issue; but I still think that finding one in a store and holding it would help you make that decision.
    Amazon also puts an app out for free each day; so you can add new apps that you are interested in as they come out for free.
    I just use mine for reading; so I do not bother with check for the free apps; but they do give them away each day.
     
    #29
    Diane Lane likes this.
  5. Corie Henson

    Corie Henson Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,906
    Likes Received:
    2,419
    This reminds me of our trip to Hongkong a few years back. In the mall, near the entrance of a supermarket, we saw an old couple taking the bench for a rest. And as they settled on their seat, they both pulled out a tablet each and started reading. My husband whispered to me that those tablets are actually Kindle. I made my observation by coming near and indeed, those two were reading what looked like stories.

    This may be out of line with the topic. I just want to express my displeasure in seeing people in public doing that - reading by themselves instead of talking with one another. They definitely look like a couple, aged maybe 70. I hate to see my husband and I in that situation where we do not talk anymore.
     
    #30
    Diane Lane likes this.
  6. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    7,459
    Likes Received:
    9,817
    My wife and I do that all the time. In fact, when we are going to a restaurant, I might tell her that I'm bringing a book in case things get boring. We both work from home so we're together all the time, and we have to read sometime.
     
    #31
    Yvonne Smith likes this.
  7. Corie Henson

    Corie Henson Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,906
    Likes Received:
    2,419
    Oh, you have fallen as a victim of technology. My husband is also a reader but he doesn't have a kindle, not even a tablet. And he uses his smart phone for the internet in times that he is alone. Especially when we go on vacation abroad, we never use our gadgets as much as possible unless for a common cause like trying to find our way. It's not really being romantic but particularly in public places, it is our poilcy not to use the gadget when we are with someone, not necessarily with my husband.
     
    #32
    Diane Lane likes this.
  8. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    I do not know how things are in the Philippines; but over here, just about every doctor's office, and many other places, actually put out magazines exactly for people to sit and read when they are there. This has been true for years and years.
    Nowdays, since most people have smartphones and/or tablets, we just have those along with us when we go somewhere, especially if we think we may be sitting and waiting for a while.

    Now, @Corie Henson , this is probably going to shock you terribly; but my husband and I also do the very same as does Ken and his wife.
    Furthermore, we even do it when we are at home ! How shocking , you say ? Sometimes, we even send each other messages, and even little love notes.
    Yes, I guess we have fallen under the spell of technology......
     
    #33
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2015
  9. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,409
    Likes Received:
    2,770
    Let's see here. I do suppose my wife and I might start a new policy whereby we force converse with each other instead of doing those things that are more relaxing to us.

    To be specific, we are all different. What is perfect for one couple is not necessarily even remotely good for another. Some people have a serious need to talk, and talk, and talk. I do not. While I might prefer that ALL derned cell phones be banned from restaurants, buses, trains, stores, walk ways, cars, men's rooms, planes, work places, banks, and parks I see no harm relaxing with a quiet kindle. Books have never had the habit of talking over someone's attempts at conversation.

    But, that is me and my preference. Note worthy is the fact that when we are on these very forums there is not much conversation going on between spouses. Fact is, neither my wife nor I "store up" conversation so we can go out and air our difficult or merry days in a public place. What might be innocent prattle to one person is an absolute bother to me and a good study on a kindle or even a book would be far more informative and relaxing while maneuvering the chop sticks or fork toward my mouth. And, since it is not polite to talk with a full mouth of food and talking allows our food to get cold we do little conversing anyway.

    The other point of reference for our family is that my wife (for relaxation) has THOUSANDS of posts on various forums and reads her kindle when she is not doing that. I only have a couple thousand so what do I do when she is posting or reading? If I have something to say, I say it. If I do not, I do something that I personally enjoy doing.

    We do have one unspoken standing rule though. While there may be a fire in the bedroom, it is not a Kindle Fire.

    Vacations? We have never had one, but when we do I assure one and all that the ipads, cell phones and kindles will go with us. After all, inquiring minds need to know!
     
    #34
    Diane Lane and Yvonne Smith like this.
  10. Corie Henson

    Corie Henson Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,906
    Likes Received:
    2,419
    @Yvonne Smith, I'm not really that shocked but still, there's a wave of shock. Now that I read of @Bobby Cole's post about couple relationship, I wonder where the world is going to. Are humans starting to be slaves of technology. There were times that I had been preoccupied with Candy Crush (and who isn't? Only my husband is not, maybe) my husband would call my attention when we are together. He would remind me that time is precious and that the game can always wait. "Will that game run away from you?"

    We always have a light walk around the block after dinner when the weather is fine. That is one way of bonding for us. We just talk while walking and one of the usual topic is technology - we are both in the IT industry, my husband as a former computer programmer and my job is in comptuer operations. But that's just that, talk, conversation, discussion, anything goes but without gadgets.
     
    #35
    Diane Lane likes this.
  11. Bobby Cole

    Bobby Cole Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,409
    Likes Received:
    2,770
    Now Corie, there is absolutely no need to be frustrated nor shocked by our occasional use of technology my dear.
    It would seem that if a couple such as yours not only make a living via technology but discuss it in your spare time it is not we who are the slaves to it.

    On one hand: 1. I am heavily involved with Food and Beverage as a chef and a marketing consultant.
    2. I am a craftsman of wood.
    3. I study quantum level neural physics
    4. I am a Christian preacher
    5. I do not play candy crunch/crush
    6. I throw around a bunch of iron at the gym 3 days a week
    Now, unless I am venting, my wife is not interested in any of those subjects so she sticks to those things she is interested in:
    1. Writing
    2. Reading whatever she fancies
    3. Gardening
    4. Crochet
    5. She swims and uses the treadmill at the gym 3 days a week
    6. She hates candy crunch/crush

    Now do you see how different you, your husband and we are? In our lives, we choose only to converse when there is something significant to talk about instead of trying to entertain each other. Which is where the Kindle Fire comes in. She READS a whole host of different books and if she feels the need to discuss one of her books then I am most happy to Listen to it and comment if I like. If, when all is said and done, I wish to use the kindle, it would probably be a book concerning Quantum bio-photon entanglements or some such that she is definitely not interested in.
    As it is, my wife insists that we are two hermits and that's the way we like it and are happy with our life together with tech, or without.

    BTW........I do believe Kama Sutra is available for the Kindle and might be extremely useful for creating another type of conversation.
     
    #36
  12. Corie Henson

    Corie Henson Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,906
    Likes Received:
    2,419
    @Bobby Cole, as per your enumeration of your inclination and that of your wife's, I truly understand why your behavior as a couple is like that. Sorry for being judgmental because I always relate other people to myself. But as you had shown, I agree that it is better to indulge in the tablet with your hobby instead of engaging someone in a boring conversation.

    This reminds me of my Uncle Porfy who was a henpecked husband. His wife would be bullying him all the time simply because they live in the opposite poles of logic and knowledge. His wife has interest in Uncle's work as an architect while Uncle has no interest in Aunt's job in the Comelec. They had arguments for breakfast and dinner - because lunch is spent in the office. But they lived together until Aunt died 2 years ago.
     
    #37
    Diane Lane likes this.
  13. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    7,459
    Likes Received:
    9,817
    A Kindle is simply a way to store the pages of a book. I haven't heard much about marriages being broken up due to reading before, so I don't know that it should matter whether the pages are printed on paper and bound into a book or if they are digital and accessed through a Kindle.
     
    #38
  14. Corie Henson

    Corie Henson Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,906
    Likes Received:
    2,419
    You gave me a good laugh with that marriage thing. But seriously, I don't think the reading is or can be a cause for a ruined marriage. That reading, whether digital or hard copy, is more of an alibi for the spouse so he wouldn't need to give attention to his partner. Pardon me @Ken Anderson if that is your style, hahahaaah.

    For me, I guess I still prefer the hardcopy because I want to save the health of my eyes. There is a certain glare emitted by the monitor and compared to the paper with zero glare, that's simply my point about Kindle.
     
    #39
    Diane Lane likes this.
  15. Jim Veradyne

    Jim Veradyne Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2015
    Messages:
    29
    Likes Received:
    30
    I've gotten used to my Kindle Fire. Though I prefer real books, the Kindle lets me read books that are out of print for free, and in a convenient format.
     
    #40
    Diane Lane likes this.
  16. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    I have discovered something new about my Kindle that I did not know before. Usually, I have just read books that I downloaded onto the Kindle Fire, and not done anything else with it since I have the iPad which is just a little bit larger and has the external keyboard.
    However, when I started reading about the moon landings (Wag the Moondoggie), it was a 7 part series of articles. Rather than read all of that with the larger and more awkward iPad, I decided to just use the Silk browser on the Kindle and then read it from there instead.

    To my surprise, once I found the webpage, the Kindle popped up a little picture of reading glasses and labeled "reading view".
    When I clicked (touched) that, the whole page changed from looking like a webpage to looking just like a book, and it was a whole lot easier to read .
    I am very pleased with this feature and will be using it whenever I have a webpage that has a lot of information on it that takes me a while to peruse.
    The more that I use the little Kindle, the better that I like it !
     
    #41
  17. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    I noticed that Amazon has the new Kindle Fires on sale for only $35 for now, at least. That is just an awesome price,and a Kindle is just SO worth having, either as a single tablet, or as a smaller "easy-to-carry" tablet and reading device.
    If I were in need of another tablet; I would snap up one of these Kindles. Even the used ones on eBay are not any cheaper than this, plus it has that great Amazon warranty.
     
    #42
    Diane Lane likes this.
  18. Ken N Louis

    Ken N Louis Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2015
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    420
    Yes, a great buy....I have had a Kindle for about 3 years and still working great!! I don't use it for books, but rather for some games and the internet..I also recently bought a 10" screen tablet for under $100..It is also in the living room with the Kindle. I use both for researching things and viewing the net. I wanted the tablet for the bigger screen and the camera.. 001.gif
     
    #43
    Jim Veradyne likes this.
  19. Terry Page

    Terry Page Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,358
    Likes Received:
    8,559
    It's interesting that both my daughters have had Kindles since they came out, but over the past year they have returned to reading real books, I am not sure why except they say they prefer them. I thought paper books may have been overtaken by electronic readers but seemingly not so.
     
    #44
  20. Ken Anderson

    Ken Anderson Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    7,459
    Likes Received:
    9,817
    As I feared, I don't use my Kindle Fire for reading much. While I like the fact that I can get online through its web browser, and I enjoy the Mahjong games, I have found that I am doing things with it other than reading. I might have to make a point of bringing my older Paperwhite version with me when I go to bed, and leave the Fire downstairs. Usually, I get the most reading done when I go to bed early. Rather than staying online until after midnight, sometimes I'll go to bed at 10 or 11 and read for a while before going to sleep. Now when I do that, I decided to play a game of mahjong first, and that leads to another and another, or I'll decide to check on the forum, and that's something I could have done more easily from my computer downstairs. I still don't regret getting the Kindle Fire, since it's easier getting online with my Kindle Fire than with my iPhone, and I use it to read when I'm at a restaurant or when my wife is driving, but I seldom use it to read while in bed.
     
    #45
    Jim Veradyne likes this.
  21. Diane Lane

    Diane Lane Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,590
    Likes Received:
    4,020
    I can see both sides of the technology versus interpersonal communications conversation. I do think we've gotten a bit away from the level, type and quality of interpersonal communication we have had in the past, although in some cases, there is such a thing as too much togetherness, and it's good to have separate interests/pursuits. It's rare to have both halves of a couple with exactly the same interests, and trying to force your other half to enjoy what you enjoy obviously isn't good, since it creates conflict.

    I think it's amusing that they're both sitting there on the bench side by side reading, as long as they have their together time and communicate at other times. I tend to like a lot of interaction with the person I'm with, and have done the sitting across the room texting one another type of thing. What bothers me is when people are out to eat, and one sits there on the cell phone carrying on lengthy conversations with others. I find that to be extremely rude, especially when I can tell their dinner/lunch partner or family feels neglected. I had a fiance who would do that, and he didn't understand why I objected. He traveled alone a lot for work, and had gotten into that habit, but I found it unacceptable. @Corie Henson and her husband also both work full time, versus @Yvonne Smith and @Bobby Cole having more time to spend together, which may also make a difference.

    I still don't have a Kindle or other dedicated reader, but would still like to do so. With my recent medical issues and resultant bills, that purchase got pushed back into the future. Although $35 or $50 may sound inexpensive to some, it's out of reach for me, especially right now. My tablet is constantly low on resources, and gets worse every time I download a book, so when I do finally get a Kindle or other reader, I'll probably remove the Kindle app and all of the books from my tablet, to free up those resources, so I can use that more for social media, email and related tasks.
     
    #46
  22. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    I store most of my books in the cloud, @Diane Lane , so the only ones I actually have taking up space on either the iPad or the Kindle are the ones I am reading at that time. I also keep at least one book on the iPhone so that when I am having to wait somewhere, then I can use the phone to read.
    Since I use the iPad for everything that I do online, except for just sitting and reading, and I enjoy the ipad so much better than the Kindle, I don't do anything on my Kindle Fire except to read books, even though it has he capability to do a lot more.
    And I don't read in bed anymore, although I used to do that a lot in earlier years, now I prefer to relax in my comfortable recliner and read.
    Because the iPad has the keyboard case, and it is a lot larger than the Kindle, the Kindle is much easier for me to hold when i just want to sit and read.
    I remember when all we had was the desktop computer, and I hated trying to sit there and read anything, or even to watch a movie on Netflix; now all of that is SO simple with the iPad.
     
    #47
    Diane Lane likes this.
  23. Diane Lane

    Diane Lane Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,590
    Likes Received:
    4,020
    Ah, here's the post I was talking about. For some reason, I'd neglected to like and respond to it. Perhaps I was in a rush when I first saw it. @Yvonne Smith, when you go to read a book you have stored in the cloud, does it show as available in your library? If it's just as easy for me to access them from the cloud, I might delete some of the ones I've got stored on the tablet, as long as I can re-download them and store them on the cloud, instead. I looked to see if there was a way to transfer them to the cloud from either the tablet or just from my Amazon account, but that didn't seem to be an option.
     
    #48
  24. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    4,831
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    When you open your Kindle app, if you hold your finger on the title of the book, it should open a little choice box. If the book is in the cloud storage, then one of the choices will be "download". If the book is already downloaded to the device, then the option will be "remove from device".
    This is how it looks on my Kindle app on the iPad; so I am assuming that your Kindle app on your tablet should be similar, if not identical.
    At the bottom of the app, it says cloud and device, so you can see what books are stored in the cloud, and which are on the device. On my Kindle Fire, it has this choice right at the top of the page.
    Either way, it should also show up on your tablet somewhere. You can move books back and forth between the cloud and the device just by holding your finger on the book you want to move.
    To delete it altogether, I think you have to go to your amazon account and the "manage my Kindle" section to completely delete something.
     
    #49
    Diane Lane likes this.
  25. Diane Lane

    Diane Lane Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,590
    Likes Received:
    4,020
    Thanks, I guess I've never seen the cloud listed as an option because I didn't have anything stored there. I uploaded something to it earlier, so I'll check when I get back to it, to see if cloud is available as an option. I'd removed items from the tablet, but they seem to still be on the Kindle account at Amazon, so I think you're correct about having to go there to remove them permanently. Hopefully this will help me with my tablet issue, which will really make my life a lot easier, since I use that for marketing, and have been having issues with it for a long time.
     
    #50

Share This Page