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  1. Ken Anderson

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    I bought a Kindle Fire because they were selling for under $50. It came today and, although my opinion might change in time, I'll tell you what I think so far.

    As a book reader, I think I prefer the Paperwhite version, like my older one, which continues to be an option. I think that I will find reading a book with the backlit feature of the Kindle Fire to be annoying over time, since it is more like reading a book on a computer, whereas the Paperwhite version is more like reading a regular book. However, books with illustrations or photographs will display much better on the Kindle Fire.

    One good thing about it is that I can easily access any of the books that I have bought from Amazon.com through the Cloud, without having to transfer them through my Amazon.com account. This is my fourth Kindle, so it's nice to be able to access all of them without having to store them on my Kindle Fire.

    I just watched part of a movie on my Kindle Fire and was amazed at the clarity of the picture. Although my television is high density, the Kindle Fire picture is far superior. Because of the small screen of the Kindle Fire, I don't think I'll retire my television, however.

    The Kindle Fire will never replace my computer. I tried posting this review of the Kindle Fire using the Kindle Fire. Although I connected to the forum through the same Internet connection that I am using on my computer, it was agonizingly slow and, in the end, it never did complete the post.

    Typing into the Kindle Fire is like typing into a smart phone, using a virtual keyboard. Even when I am paying close attention, it enters the wrong key at least a fourth of the time, and then auto correct further exacerbates the problem.

    Typing with one or two fingers is not something that I enjoy to begin with, but I had to redo pretty much every other word. In the middle of a word, it might decide to start capitalizing letters, or throw in a page break, as if I had hit the Enter key.

    After completing my post, I clicked the button to post the reply. After a long pause, it finally gave me a prompt about being unable to load the page, and the post never was completed.

    Another thing that I hate about the Kindle Fire is that when it is unable to complete something, it never quits trying. After trying a couple of times to complete the post through my Kindle Fire, I went on to something else, but I couldn't get it to quit trying to load the page. If it can't do something, give it up. Don't disable my device for the rest of the afternoon trying.

    So, I may come to like it for some things, I don't think that it will replace my Paperwhite Kindle as a book reader, except where significant photos or illustrations are involved, and I am pretty darned sure that I'll never try to use it in place of my computer. I can see using it to watch movies when I am not near by television.

    Now I know why my wife uses hers mostly to play games. Perhaps some of these problems will work their way out as I become more familiar with the Kindle Fire.
     
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    The invention of the Gutenberg press, was an amazing, life-changing time. The printed book did not need to come with a book of instructions. Is the manual for the Kindle Fire a printed copy, or on the Kindle Fire?
     
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    I don't think there is one, although there is a help button, and one of those guides that run you through the operations of it. I mostly just clicked "Continue" so that I could see what it did for myself. One thing this Kindle Fire does that my wife's doesn't is that it includes a camera.
     
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    There is an owners manual, and it is an excellent one at that, Ken. Look in the Kindle Store, and just type in "Kindle manual", and this should come up right away, and it is (of course) free.
    It is called "The Kindle Fire Owner's Manual" by Steve Weber. There is a lot of good information about the different things that you can do with the Kindle Fire, and how you do all of those things.
    He also has the Kindle Buffet website that lists the free books and apps that you can get with the Kindle.
    Every day, there is at least one app that is free for that day. Most of them seemed to be games when I looked, and since I do not play games, it was not interesting at all to me.
    However, there are other programs besides games that are also free on some days, so it is not all just game apps.

    All that I do with mine is use it to read books.
    As you mentioned, the illustrations in the Kindle Fire are much clearer and better than in just the little e-reader Kindle. This doesn't make any difference if all you read are ebook versions of paperback novels; but when you are reading (as an example) a gardening tutorial, and there are illustrations, then it is much better to have the Fire and the colored photos.
     
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    I am in the car, in Massachusetts right now, using my Kindle Fire and Verizon hotspot.
     
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    Then you should be able to use the Kindle to download the manual, Ken. ON the main page of your Carousel, go to Shop, then Books, and that puts you right in the Kindle Store.

    I also signed up for something called "Kindle First".
    How it works is that every month Kindle offers you one of the new books that just came out (or at least one that is new on Kindle) and you get to "preview" the book . It is $1.99 for the book; but when you have the Amazon Prime, then the book is free.
    They just sent me my first list today, and you just choose whichever book (if any) that you would like to read for free.
    I imagine that this is a good way for Kindle to have reviews on the books when they are first released.
     
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    I am getting a little more used to the virtual keyboard and, although I still hate it, I can hit the right keys once in awhille. I still don't know how or why anyone would replace a real computer with a tablet, though.

    It is nice to see how responsive the forum software is.
     
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    That small size and virtual keyboard is exactly why I only use the Kindle Fire for reading. You can get separate keyboards for Kindles, just like you can for the iPad and other tablets, and if you are going to do much typing with it, an external keyboard would be worthwhile. They usually come in a little fold-up case, so that when you open it, the Kindle is standing up (landscape mode), and the keyboard is flat, like a laptop would be.

    My iPad is the full-size one, so it is about 11" across and the screen is much easier to see and read, plus, you can stretch the screen when you need to make the writing larger and easier to see. However, the keyboard case make the iPad heavier and awkward to use in anything except landscape mode; so I prefer the little Kindle when I am just reading a book.
    However, for everything else, the iPad is perfect. With the external keyboard, typing is easy, and I use a little lap-desk so I can relax in comfort in my recliner and still use the iPad.
    I would so totally LOVE to have one of the new larger iPad Pro tablets; but the cost of those is way beyond what I can spend.
     
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    But if I was going to do that, I may as well use my MacBook. I have a perfectly good MacBook and a newer iMac, and there's no good reason to trade either of them in for a tablet, as far as doing anything online goes.
     
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    Absolutely ! You should be able to do everything with your Macbook that I or anyone else can do with any brand of tablet.
    I used my daughter's MacAir for a few months, and it was fine to use just like I use my iPad. The main problem that I had with the MacAir was that it was not a touchscreen, and it was very hard for me to read the small print. On the iPad, I just stretch it up where I can see it easily.
    So, (for me) even though the MacAir could do more things than my iPad can do; I still mainly used the ipad because I could read stuff on it much better.

    I also have a Dell computer that we use as a desktop; and even though it can be carried around like a laptop or tablet; it is large and cumbersome to do that, so it just stays on the desk. The reason that I seldom use it is because I have to be sitting at the desk , although I will do that when necessary.
    Since the Dell also has a touchscreen, at least I can enlarge anything that I need to when I am working with that device.
     
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    I am lucky enough to be a friend and close neighbor of Yvonne's. When she upgraded her regular Kindle reader for a Kindle Fire, she gifted the Kindle Reader to me and I love it. Then when she upgraded her Kindle Fire, it moved to my house. I use it mostly for reading and really enjoy it. I do some internet stuff on it, but not a lot because I prefer my laptop and desktop. However; my grandson LOVES the Fire. He is 8 yrs old and loves watching movies on it. In fact, I rarely get to use it because he is hogging it. My daughter discovered there are some movies on Netflix that she wants to see, so I have even more compition for it's use.
     
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    I have taken to using my Kindle Fire to watch movies sometimes. The picture quality is so good that the small screen is manageable, it seems. It's nice to take a break once in a while and lie in bed watching a movie with two of my three cats. Lydia is never interested, but Cutie and Ella are nearly always eager to join me in being lazy. Cutie actually watches the move for long periods of time before losing interest.

    I have gotten used to the backlit screen, which is something I didn't anticipate, so I don't at all mind reading books on my Kindle Fire. I have no gotten into the games, and probably won't do that, but I do use it to get online once in a while, although I have far better options than that for getting online.
     
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    One thing about the Amazon Kindle, is that they put at least one app on for free each day. Most of the ones that I saw when I looked at it were games, and since I don't play games, I was not interested.
    They also have other apps, like for making spreadsheets and stuff like that, and probably even more diversity if you bother to check every day.
    Because I just use mine mainly for reading, I haven't bothered checking to see what else they have; but if you do use the Kindle for more than just reading, then this is a good way to get some of the apps that cost money, for free.
     
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    When the first iPad tablet came out I couldn't see the point in it, though when my brother bought one of the first mobile/cell phones I never thought they would catch on o_O
    I regard myself as a gadget person, but seem to be late in acquiring the latest ones. I did eventually get a cell/mobile phone in the late '90s and now have 2 Motorola smartphones, which I find invaluable, especially when travelling.

    I bought a B&N Nook HD 7" tablet when they were selling them off in the UK last year at £69 ($105) which was a bargain for the spec, and I rooted it and put a stock Android KitKat rom on it and it has been excellent for watching movies and sending emails etc.
    I did look at the Kindle Fire but it seemed expensive and had a restricted Android OS, so I eventually purchased a Tesco Hudl 2, which for £99 ($150) is excellent, sadly its was withdrawn a couple of weeks ago as Tesco is in financial trouble and is now focussing more on groceries again.

    I use a Acer Chromebook for browsing and posting on here, because its so fast and doesn't have an OS so no update problems as its all in the cloud. I use the Hudl for watching movies in bed and I have a couple of desktops with windows 7 and 10, for photo and video editing.
    I have always resisted Apple products partly because they are so expensive, and you are stuck with their iTunes and other restrictions which I find annoying, they are beautifully designed, and they work well but they don't suit my price limit and freedom to choose my own software.
    Both my daughters have the latest iPhones and iPads and love them, but Apple stuff is just not for me, I guess I am prejudiced ;)
     
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    I still prefer actual printed books to e-books, but once I'm close to finishing these next 3 books in the series I'm reading, I might borrow the electronic version of the final (to date) book in the series, just to see how I like reading it on the tablet. Reading was always a chore on the iPod since it was so small, but I might like it better on the tablet. If so, perhaps in the future, I'll consider getting something like a Fire or Kindle. @Ken Anderson does the back lighting make a big difference when you're reading?
     
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    Strictly for reading text, I prefer the non-backlit Paperwhite version, and I have one of those. However, photos, diagrams and illustrations don't show up well in the Paperwhite version so, for those types of books, the backlit Kindle Fire is superior. With a backlit screen, it's a little like reading something on a computer, whereas the paperwhite technology is more like reading text on paper. Neither are particularly annoying, however. If I could have only one, I guess I'd choose the Kindle Fire.
     
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    I don't have a problem reading on a tablet, especially books with illustrations, which as you say don't really work on a Kindle at all, I use a parchment background and low brightness levels and find it little different to reading a book really.
     
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    Thanks, @Ken Anderson that helps a lot. I guess I can try reading on the tablet, and see how that works. If not, maybe at some point I'll be able to get a Paper White version.

    @Terry Page Is parchment a setting on your tablet? I have a Samsung Tab 4, and haven't seen that in the settings.
     
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    I started out with the little Kindle e-reader, @Diane Lane , and if you read mostly paperback novels, and similar books, the ereader will be perfect for you. It weighs less than a paperback does, fits in just about any size purse if you are carrying it somewhere, and is simple to use.
    It will connect to the internet with wifi, and you can download books so that once you are not at home, you can still read them.
    I can't remember how many books mine held, but it was at least hundreds, if not thousands, of them.
    I would look for the books I wanted using my iPad and then have them delivered to the Kindle to read.

    As Ken said, you can't see pictures of diagrams very well at all; so if you are not reading novel-type books, it is almost worthless.
    I ended up giving mine to @Joyce Mcgregor because she had an injured shoulder, and it is now hard for her to hold even a paperback book easily, and she loves to read novels.
    For her, the ereader is perfect.
    So then, I got a Kindle Fire, and it is only a little heavier and larger; but not enough to make a difference. I still use it for reading; but this one does more online things, so I could use it for other purposes if I want to.

    If you like to cook and use online recipes, the Kindle Fire would be perfect. My daughter had an iPad Mini, and she would find a recipe onlne, and clip it up on her kitchen cupboard (she put a clip up there just for the Mini), and had the recipe right in front of her to make whatever gourmet food she was making.
    The Kindle fire is the perfect size, and you can see the photos of the recipe in bright color. (The little ereader won't do stuff like that at all, although you can download recipe books from amazon and follow the recipes. It just would not have the pictures like the Fire does, and you can't get recipes from cooking webpages. )
    It would be good for crochet patterns online as well, I think. I have used my iPad for that, and think the Kindle Fire would work just as easily.

    Now that Amazon has the new Kindle fires on sale for only $49, the used ones are as low as $20 on eBay (I just checked to see); so you could actually get one really cheap.
     
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    Thanks @Terry Page I'll check that out!

    Thanks, @Yvonne Smith I'l look into those, as well. I do have trouble sometimes holding my tablet, even though it's not very heavy, so something lighter might be better for reading. The type of reading I'd mostly be doing would be simply novels without pictures, ones I could electronically borrow from the library, most likely, or obtain for free. I do like to cook (as most of y'all know), and I do look up a lot of recipes. My handwriting is atrocious, and I've been hand writing (aka scribbling) the recipes, since I was out of ink, and almost messed up a recipe because I couldn't even read my own writing. It would be great to see the recipes in color, which I guess I could do with my tablet, although since I tend to drop things, that concerns me. Her clip sounds really interesting, what kind of clip is it, and where did she get it? I have extremely limited counter space, and it tends to get messy during cooking, which is why I try to keep the tablet out of the kitchen (unless I could rig some sort of clip like she does), due to water/drops, etc.
     
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    Yes, the difference in weight between the Kindle Fire and the Paperwhite versions can make a difference. I've dropped mine a few times because it is harder to hold.
     
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    It has been a while since she shwed it to me, @Diane Lane ; but basically she just had either a clipboard screwed up on one of the doors for her kitchen cabiniets, or she just had a clip that looks like that. I will have to ask her and ssee; but I think that she just took a clipboard (like we use for clipping papers onto) and screwed it up on the door.
    She has a teeny-tiny kitchen, and her countertop is right below the cabinets; so she could be mixing up the recipe on the countertop and reading the recipe from right in front of her, since the clip was at eyelevel for her.

    If I remember right, Staples sells Kindles, and you could look there (or in a similar store) and actually see what they are like, and feel the difference in weight.
    I only paind about $20 for the ereader on eBay, and now the Kindle Fire is almost that cheap; so you could probably pick up a used/refurbished one of each for around $30-40 for both of them. Then you would have the little one for reading and the larger one for recipes. Truly, if you are only going to get one, and want to do recipes or craft patterns; I would go with the Fire. They are not much difference in weight, and the Fire does SO much more.
     
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    @Ken Anderson Ken, Which is lighter, the Paperwhite version?

    Thanks @Yvonne Smith It truly makes a huge difference sometimes, to actually pick one up and feel the heft and size. I was ready to buy the 8" tablet online, then was at the store one day and realized that it would hurt my hand/fingers too much, so scaled back to the 7". I miss having something smaller that is more portable, like my iPod touch was, but that smaller size was difficult for things such as recipes, so there's a trade off with everything. I'll look around when I'm downstairs and try to figure out if it would be possible to somehow rig something to use for a clip, or maybe even a raised stand, so I could store things below it while I'm reading the recipes. I don't have the money right now, but am going to start looking at both on eBay and Amazon, and once I try reading on my current tablet, that will help make up my mind, as well. When you say 'ereader' you're talking about some sort of Kindle, right?
     
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    Yes, the Paperwhite version.
     
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