Islam In Our Schools

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  1. Gary Ridenour

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    for me this is a very disturbing pic. especially these women with smiles on their faces. Islam is being taught in schools nationwide. for me it constitutes child abuse. down in San Diego parents agree with me when they found their children are being taught this so called religion of peace. and CAIR is up to its neck in it. strange the Gov does not believe its a terrorists organization yet the FBI claims they have proof it is.



    http://madworldnews.com/pissed-off-dad-school-board-islam/

    thoughts??
     
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    I'm tired of all this crap that's going in schools and everywhere and I'm a moderate! So if I'm sick of it, I can imagine what others feel..except the snowflakes, seems they're getting what they want...people bending over backwards to accommodate every little thing.

    I told my daughter the other day I'm so happy I'm not starting out my life now.
     
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    freedom of religion is one of many things we fight for. as long as its peaceful. seems to be be the first thing liberals forgot
     
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    Happened here ages ago Gary - Governments are far too slow to act :rolleyes:
     
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    Hers a story that was in my daughter's paper....I'm not a racist but I don't want to be forced to take diversity training.

    The story actually starts at the bottom, the top is an update.

    http://www.kion546.com/news/uc-santa-cruz-sit-in-continues-for-2nd-day/479947868

    With all the riots and protests at the universities in California...are the students getting what they are
    payingg huge amounts of money for..like an education?

    My grandson starts college in September and all this has me worried.
     
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    It took me around a half-hour to calm down enough to reply to Gary's post- I was almost hyperventilating.
    Quite a few years ago, when I was new to the internet, I started to hear about so-called 'comparative religion' being put into public schools- usually hidden under names like
    Social Studies. Next came 'diversity,' presenting everything as not only valid but equally valid. And then the approach that parents aren't supposed to give their kids a religion
    or teach them anything, because it allegedly amounts to 'telling kids what to think' and 'telling kids what to believe.' I wouldn't go as far as to call it a conspiracy,
    but there's certainly something skunky going on. Kinda reminds me of the older generations' expression of where we're all going in a 'handbasket.'
    There were even individuals on a different forum a couple of years ago responding to topic 'should sharia law be allowed in the U.S.?' with 'if that's what they believe,
    that's what they should be able to practice.' This crap doesn't belong in the schools- nor should it be allowed to overtake 'the laws of the land' either.
     
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    I think Berkeley has turned into a terrorists training camp. education?? no time for that. hit the streets and riot. compliments of G Soro's
     
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    It sadly seems that with some religion 'fighting for' means 'murdering for' in several guises including honor murder, fatwa and jihad.
    Standing up for a religion's ( sectarian) tenets must have certain conventional limits prescribed don't you think.
     
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    This kind of thing makes me wish I had kids in schools so that I could sue someone.
     
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    Right on, Ken!!!
     
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    @Gary Ridenour " thoughts??"

    Clearly, the "institutionalization" of education in the U.S. has reached it's pinnacle, the apex so long sought by government. Thank those folks "in control" for the current situation, rather than blame those folks involved in "religions" of their own making, those devoid of common, decent human moral beliefs. After all, it was none other than Thomas Jefferson himself who was quoted as standing for rigid institutionalization of schools; surely his intent was nothing short of government control of education.

    Think back. Some of it was good, beneficial: mandatory smallpox vaccination to enter public school, I got mine at 5. Decentralized teaching governance: the teacher was in charge of the class, it's operation, and also was responsible for the year-end results. "Bad" teachers were relegated to lesser, or no positions. There were no cops present everyday in our schools.

    Think now (or recent). "No child left behind". WTH exactly could that mean? Absolute control over the school environment, by government. Ask any recently-retired teacher how the later part of his or her career went. I know the answer, for I have done just that. Young college attendees today, aspiring to teaching careers, must accept nearly-absolute control of their new-found vocation by government. Some portion will, I have little doubt, seek to leave the teaching profession, after a short tenure there.

    Times have changed in America with respect to the "3-Rs". We Seniors know it, young adults for the most part either do not, or ignore the intonations of their elders. Just as it was planned.......
    Frank
     
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    Jefferson proposed splitting each county off into small districts of five or six square miles and, in each of them, establish a school for teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. He proposed that the tutor be paid for by the people in that district, and that children receive only three years of free school, and that anything after that should be paid for by the student’s family.

    He also proposed that one boy from each district be selected each year to receive a scholarship for further education, the equivalent of today’s junior and senior high school for one or two years, after which only one would be chosen to attend the entire six years of school, and that “the residue” be dismissed.

    He argued, “By this means twenty of the best geniuses will be raked from the rubbish annually, and be instructed, at the public expense.”

    Of those chosen to complete school, he said that half should be dismissed, perhaps to become teachers themselves, while the remainder would receive scholarships to study for three years at the College of William and Mary, although he later added the University of Virginia, which he founded in 1819.

    Even after he retired from public life, he argued for this plan for public education. Although by 1820, he had changed his mind about scholarships, deciding that only pauper children should receive free schooling.

    The key to local school districts, according to Jefferson, is that they give parents direct and ultimate control over how their children are educated. He stated, “To suppose that schools will be better managed by any authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, is a belief against all experience.” At another time, he said, “A government can no more manage schools than it can manage our farms, our mills, and merchants’ stores.”
     
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    @Ken Anderson
    Most intrinsically impressive, and in opposition with the personal notes and memoirs I heard of many years ago, and delved into. Of course, assuming bald truth to exist regarding private and public comment made by the leading organizers of our land, is possible, but not in my mind advisable. Perhaps the readings I made were fictitious, as may also yours be. I saw back then, little reason to discredit one of the Founding Fathers blatantly, little personal gain available for it, so believed it, and still do.
    Frank
     
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    looks like its settled: Supreme court ruling. no Islam in public schools.

    Judge Gorsuch wrote, “The government certainly has no business being involved in religion, but this isn’t a government issue or a religious issue. This is about the judicial branch interpreting the laws as they apply to the teaching of religion. We should be teaching any religions in this country besides standard Judeo-Christianity, as our founders wanted, and we certainly shouldn’t be filling the children with lies about Islam being a ‘religion of peace’ when they see the carnage on the news almost every day.”

    source
     
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    The catch, though: http://www.snopes.com/supreme-court-islam-schools/
     
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    I don't think who owns/operates a site is relevant- what's relevant is whether an article is fact or fiction.
     
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    I don't think the court was scheduled to hear such a case.
     
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    I do since they research it and post it
     
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    It is relevant. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's right or wrong, but it is relevant. When I know that someone has lied to me, or that he has a habit of obfuscating the truth, any information that he might give me may still be true, but I am less inclined to believe it, at least not without independent substantiation.

    In this case, I do believe this was fake news. The Supreme Court was not scheduled to hear such a case, as far as I am aware, or can find, and the wording of the comments attributed to Justice Gorsuch do not sound like something that he would have included in an actual ruling. But I wouldn't discount something just because Snopes says it's false.
     
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    That's what I meant. I guess I should have said 'the' site, not 'a' site. Snopes isn't known for dishonesty, or having some kind of 'agenda'- their purpose is to get the facts out, and it shouldn't matter whether they're considered 'liberal' or not.
    And, kinda like I mentioned awhile back, it seems to be a trend- using words 'liberal' or 'conservative' to mean nothing more than whatever individuals disagree with.
     
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    Actually, they are known for that. On political questions, they routinely state the fact that some Democrat denies something as proof that it did not occur, but they do not do that when a conservative refutes something. That is bias. On most questions, I find them to be fairly accurate, and even on political questions, once I read their reasoning, the bias becomes clear and I can discount rulings that are based on liberal bias.
     
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    You won't get a Muslim to accept that another practicing a different version of Islam than there's is a 'true' Muslim, nor is a 'moderate. So if it's practiced in a school which is it? Sunni- Shiite or one of the other numerous sects claiming to be Muslims?

    One thing it seems as a constant, if any is allowed in school, the girls will be at the back.
     
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    I'm very saddened by this.
    As a Brit , I am reminded of the Thatcher years ,and for the record , i despised Thatcher .
    However, during this period, there was an attempt by a corrupt political group called Militant Tendency who infiltrated the London school system and attempted to enforce similar " re-education " mainly aimed at the youngest school children.
    That is the way of bullies, you can't intimidate the adults, so brainwash the children.
     
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