If Covid Fatalities Were 90.2% Lower, How Would You Feel About Schools Reopening?

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  1. Ken Anderson

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    Although this articles focuses on a discussion on reopening schools, it does include data relating to adults and COVID-19, as well.

    Consider this part: If the CDC had used the same reporting rules for COVID-19 as it has for other viruses, the fatality count would be 90.2% lower than it currently is.

    I recommend reading the article, as I am posting only excerpts here. The article also discusses the double standard that the CDC is using in reporting COVID-19 cases, although effective reporting rules were already in place. That is an important discussion but, for it to be clear, I would have to quote too much of the article, and that might not be considered fair use.

    -- Children's Health Defense
     
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    The Italians have found a way to reduce the number of COVID deaths by 97%!!!!!! Just be friggin' honest.

    Italian Institute Of Health Drastically Reduces Its Official COVID Death Toll Number

    In a nutshell, they restated the number of COVID deaths by only counting "Died From" rather than "Died With."

    So NOW the official Italian COVID death toll is less than 4,000. It was over 130,000.
    This brings their COVID death toll down below your average flu season in Italy. (Oops.)

    The article says that all of the "Died With" fatalities had between 1 and 5 pre-existing diseases.

    The article also makes reference to the UK's use of behavioural psychologists in exaggerating the risk so as to "put fear and terror" in the public. I do not have an account to read the entire article on The Telegraph's website. The lead-in reads: Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”....
     
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    Yeah, we are working in a "fear" environment. It is sad. I know Covid is a problem, but as Mr. Trump said, "The cure can't be worse than the disease. It doesn't make sense." Well, the "cure" has definitely become worse than the disease.
     
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    Oh, you guys!

    Aside from the fact that the Children's Health Defense site is an adamant anti-vax axe-grinder, it also should be noted that the article cited was published months before the more contagious and severe Delta variant was recognized in India, and nearly a year before it became dominant globally. Statistics outdated!

    The COVID virus is an 'unstable' one, which means that it mutates freely over time. It's also called 'novel,' which means that scientists are forced to figure it out as they go. Therefore changes in guidelines will occur as a matter of necessity, and in no way indicate that the research is manipulated or flawed.

    I've seen the mRNA vaccine itself described as 'unstable', and denigrated by some on that basis. But the mRNA vaccine is 'unstable' only in that it requires very low temperatures to remain effective.

    The vaccine is not 'unstable' in the same sense as the virus itself. The bit of RNA in it does not mutate in the body and create new variants, as some scare-mongering sites claim. What enables new variants are large 'reservoirs' of unvaccinated people --- which includes classrooms full of vulnerable and very germy kids.

    The second article, though more current, comes from Zero Hedge, which gained readership as a 'far-right libertarian' site that originally discussed financial issues, mostly, but is now aggressively promoting conspiracy theories and opinion, posted under the pseudonym of 'Tyler Durden'. Very credible!

    Odd that the Economist has simultaneously posted an article that directly contradicts Tyler's narrative of widespread overcounting of COVID cases and deaths.

    For some reason I find it very hard to believe what the Durdens of the world have to say, and even harder to believe that all mainstream news sources are conspiring to hoax us into putting on shackles and go shuffling off over some socialist cliff.

    EDIT --- Yeah, I know that the vaccine stuff and the alt-site-picking-at stuff went way off topic, but in the heat of the moment it just couldn't be stopped!
     
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    Would you say that Lon died from COVID-19 or with COVID-19? He had health problems but he was still alive until he got COVID-19. There were still things that he enjoyed. As long as there is one thing that a person enjoys, life is worth living.

    You say that COVID-10 has a 98% survivability rate; that most people who die from it are old and sick already. OOOOKKKK, how many of you here are not old? How many of you don't have preexisting conditions?
     
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    The truth is that we don't know what the truth is because those who we're supposed to look to for information have been lying to us. So we make choices for ourselves based on whatever it is that seems reasonable to us and, hopefully, allow others to do the same.
     
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    I asked my cardiologist last week if I should get the booster. He said positively. I asked my GP last week if I should get the booster. He said Absolutely. I haven't known my cardiologist long but I have known my GP almost all his life. I would trust him with my life. So I will follow his advice.
     
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    It's a pretty good bet that Lon's 'conditions' wouldn't have killed him for a while yet, if not for the virus.

    So --- cause of death, COVID.
     
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    I would agree with that. But it's an individual choice. And the flu [sadly] also takes people every year.

    And why shoot up the children????
     
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    Can you elaborate on that...tell us what those conditions were, what stage they were in, etc.
     
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    It doesn't matter. If you are alive and have something left to enjoy, would you choose to get COVID-19 and die?
     
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    Of course not. Nor would I choose the flu or any other malady.
     
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    The specifics are irrelevant. Lon was in assisted living, emphasis on living, then caught COVID and became sick enough from it to be hospitalized, and died --- possibly years before his time.

    Then there's the question of where he caught the virus. As isolated as he seemed to be, it was likely from an unvaccinated healthcare worker. Dunno!
     
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    I don't think people generally choose a disease, although there might be something to be said for choosing to get COVID if you're reasonably healthy, and gaining natural immunity. Lon was vaccinated, and he was living in a place where all of the suggested precautions were in place. Meanwhile, my older brother, who was about the same age, wasn't vaccinated and didn't take these precautions, but he got COVID and barely noticed it, and I'm not vaccinated or taking precautions but haven't come across the disease. My point is that there is seemingly nothing that you can do that will guarantee that you will be safe from the virus, or even change the odds. Because of this, it makes sense for people to do whatever it is that they think is the best idea. I'd rather live my life and enjoy the time that I have left to me while preparing to beat COVID if I come across it, and you should be perfectly free to insulate yourself from it in whatever way you see fit.
     
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    People who live in isolated areas and are seldom around other people are not as likely to be exposed to the virus and, thus, may be able to skip the vaccine.
     
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