How Does Your Country Respond To Bigotry And Hatred?

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  1. Kalvin Mitnic

    Kalvin Mitnic Well-Known Member
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    Oh you people do go on.
    There seems to be much debate of late re Islamophobia, what defines ‘it’. Not to Kalvin of course Kalvin knows it if Kalvin sees or hears it and Kalvin would like to clear up any confusion.
    ( Those not confused can stop reading here and just look up xenophobia.)
    Since ‘it’ ,(naturally one must minimize the use of 'the term' as a first requirement not to offend), has been defined as unreasonable fear of uh...dare I say, Islam?) We have fortunately and vehemently been informed by pundits of every station and expertise as to those that are not real followers of Islam, not 'real' Muslims. On Kalvin's accepting that, then it's clear that Daesh,( known for killing dozens of people at a time and carrying out public executions, crucifixions and other acts.)Nigerian Boko Haram (bombings, assassinations and abductions), or the Assad regime,(dropping barrel bombs and poison gas on civilians.Are faux Muslims and not followers of Islam and the Qur'an. Nor can the Taliban, that blind school girls for seeking an education. Obviously those that murder civilians at churches or differing sectarian Islamic mosques are clearly not following Islam or Mohamed's written view on other religions. Nor are those that bomb civilians in subways or that murder journalist, correspondent, or newspaperman. Nor can those that would fly planes into buildings or persecute those as the Yazidi sect, for differing beliefs.
    So Kalvin say's that if you do indeed fear such as 'those' it's not Islamophobia at all since we've been repeatedly told by those that know such things, that these violent murderers are simply not followers of Islam at all. So if you have an unreasonable fear of their atrocities it can't be Islamophobia can it? It's more of xenophobia Kalvin says. If those perps aren't followers of Islam then, it' can't be Islamophobia. BTW if they aren't followers of Islam then they aren't Muslims. No wonder so many 'real' Muslims are Islamophobic...oops, sorry xenophobic.

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  2. Debby McLoud

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    Think of it like this Missy and maybe it will make you feel easier about the situation you see in your church's food bank. 'Goodness only shows up as goodness, if there is something to contrast with. By coming to you instead of being able to go to their own mosque, your goodness becomes more welcoming, more visible. Therefore rejoice in the opportunity to show what your faith has accomplished for good'. And hunger is hunger and you go wherever you must to ease the cries of your children. You've been given a blessed opportunity to reach beyond your own faith to help those who hunger.

    As far as them not wanting to eat pork and refusing foods that have it, well that's not unreasonable is it? If you had food allergies, would you refuse anything that had nuts or wheat or....? They have 'faith based food allergies'.

    I was under the impression though that all the refugees who came into Canada had already lived in camps for a couple years and from the time they arrived and made application, they were interviewed and assessed repeatedly by experts. I thought I heard somewhere that they are vetted for a couple years during the process. Perhaps I'm wrong on that, but that's what I've heard.
     
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  3. Billie Lane

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    i don't know how Moslems worship in Canada, but in Great Britain at least the Mosque is open to people of all faiths to just walk in and enjoy a hot meal.
    Mosques are not just places of worship - they are open to the wider community also, if they are in need or if they just want to partake of a Biryani.
    it is an aspect of Moslem culture that does not get much publicity.
    Moslems at work often invite non-moslem friends to come to the mosque to share a meal.
    As long as you are prepared to take your shoes off there is no problem.

    On the other hand, Pakistani as people I have found to be more discriminatory and self-serving, but I think that has more to do with Pakistani culture than Moslem.
    By the way, i am a Jew and don't eat Pork either .

    P.S. I suspect that the family in question may be getting free meals from both the Mosque and the Church and cunningly saving money on home-cooked meals.
    This guy sounds like a bit of a user but you can't judge a group or it's faith by the behaviour of a minority.
    Even if it were true of all, should you let that awareness make you bitter?
     
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  4. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Thing is, many folks get bitter today over anything. Just the society we live in in America.
     
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  5. Kalvin Mitnic

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    Bigotry and hatred is at times in the eye of the beholder. Is one a bigot if their beliefs deny a legal marriage of two of the same sex?
    Is hatred against the law if the 'hater' believes in their reason?

    All too often today anyone expressing an opinion differing to that of their audience is automatically branded with a derogatory label, as an Islamophobic, or (if you're a Trump, a 'looser'. (a really really big looser.)
    A differing opinion should be given due consideration-- not a name calling epithet denigrating the person.
     
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  6. Kalvin Mitnic

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    Edited for space.)

    Like churches or other edifices of religion or branches of politic their are many of differing degrees of thought, word and practice extolled.

    There are Mosques for the followers of a peaceful,law abiding, patriotic citizen, and as we hear those where radicalism,radical preaching, and violence/hate is spread.In Great Britain I have read of the latter being exposed.
     
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  7. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Have to somewhat (remember, I did say "somewhat") agree with this.
     
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  8. Kalvin Mitnic

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    Be still my quivering heart.:p
     
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