History Would Be Great If Were True

Discussion in 'History & Geography' started by Martin Alonzo, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. Harry Havens

    Harry Havens Very Well-Known Member
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    As you can post two links from the mainstream media of Jessica Lynch, perhaps you can provide the link for your original picture, that says "The Historical TRUTH-Calm, Methodical Evacuation"....
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    The WaPo story fell apart nearly the minute it was published and created quite a few accusations of WaPo attempting to promote government propaganda. They got called out by quite a few others in the mainstream media, as your links indicate.

    So let's talk about your source for the picture above, with its terribly misleading caption. It is important to understand this "media" you alluded to in that picture. Where does it come from?
     
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  2. Martin Alonzo

    Martin Alonzo Veteran Member
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    Absolutely none of which have the captions in your original post.

    Did you write those captions? If not, where did they come from?
     
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  4. Martin Alonzo

    Martin Alonzo Veteran Member
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    What are you bugging about where they not the photos or not. It seem some one else has an agenda
     
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  5. Harry Havens

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    Yes, I have an agenda... trying to determine the truth behind your original post. A link to those captioned photos would assist in determining the validity of the source.
     
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  6. Martin Alonzo

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    Are you concerned about the heading if I put it on or not the heading says. The historical truth the picture came from an archive of time magazine and is take at that time. Calm the solders are in lines not being fired upon waiting to get on a ship. Methodical that means there was a method and if they were in lines that mean there was a method they were not running helter skelter.
     
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    The premise being that at some point in history, Time magazine published the reference photo, emblazoned with the caption "Historical TRUTH- Calm, Methodical Evacuation".

    Which can only mean, they were taking a rest and having tea during this picture...
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    All I ask is to have the website address for your captioned pictures, as you may have found the holy grail of truth and it would likely contain other examples that would enlighten me.
     
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  8. Kalvin Mitnic

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    You state, "Yes the media and the truth some time are not the same for example".

    And ones interpretation of an event based on a photo are sometimes erroneous as well.
    You arrive at a conclusion based on a photo. That does not discount historical records of the evacuation,certainly not simply by your interpretation or assertions.
    So be clear, are you saying the evacuation or the invasion was orderly or that they were not under fire on the beach in either case??
    On the days long evacuation allied planes were giving them cover and German tanks apparently were stopped from intervening.
    Dunkirk evacuation facts https://www.britannica.com/event/Dunkirk-evacuation
     
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    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/dunkirk-evacuation-40-facts.html/2

    from link
    1. But over the next week or so, a total of 338,226 stranded troops were successfully evacuated under intense enemy bombing.
    2. Along with the British soldiers, 140,000 Polish, French and Belgian troops were also rescued.
    3. A total of 933 Royal Navy ships and civilian vessels were involved in the Operation Dynamo.
    4. Around 200,000 soldiers waited patiently on the ‘Dunkirk Mole’ – a long stone and wooden jetty on the edge of the port – and were eventually rescued amid hail of enemy shells.
    5. Rest of the soldiers had to wait in cold, shoulder deep water for hours before the Royal Navy ships evacuated them.
    6. A total of 700 small and mostly civilian boats were used to pick up the stranded soldiers from the shallow waters near the beach. They were then transferred to the bigger vessels waiting in the deep waters, small boats had to then make multiple trips to fetch more troops from the beach.
    7. The patience and the resilience of the troops was exemplary, Signaller Alfred Baldwin said recalling the events at Dunkirk that there were no pushing and shoving by the troops, and that it seemed as if people were waiting for a bus, it sure did not seem like a war zone, except the continuous German bombing.
     
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  10. Ken Anderson

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    I just watched the movie and the movie showed the soldiers lined up along the beach in an orderly manner, much as you show in your photos. The scenes that you are showing from the movie were immediately after they were bombed or strafed, and some of the people lying on the ground were dead. After the bombers passed by, those who were still able to get up did so. I am by no means an expert on Dunkirk but I haven't seen anything suggesting that the movie took great liberties with the truth, any more than every movie does.
     
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  12. Neville Telen

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    Hollyweird and the news media both have a long history of service to the government as a disseminator of propaganda and disinformation, plus the former seems to have an OCD-like need to deploy 'poetic license' with abandon at every opportunity. As for the press, while it is not above occasionally biting the hand that feeds it (i.e. Watergate), for the most part it functions much the same as TASS does for the Kremlin. Has everyone forgotten going to the movies long ago and watching those newsreels comprised of a mix of truths, half-truths, and outright lies? Those 'factual' newsreels were the end result of a close collaboration between government, press, and Hollyweird.
     
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  13. Ken Anderson

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    If Nixon had been a Democrat, I doubt we'd have heard of Watergate.
     
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  14. Neville Telen

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    I don't know...seems like the press had quite the long run with Clinton's new use for a cigar, and the usual calls for impeachment. A quick google search finds much else:
    https://www.economist.com/news/unit...moral-character-has-become-party-ends-justify
    http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-democrats-sexual-misconduct-trump-715837
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States
    http://dailysignal.com/2016/10/24/9...nt-mention-when-he-denied-any-major-scandals/
    Though it may break some hearts, and cause bitter disappointment, I doubt the Republicans can lay claim to a monopoly on stupidity. But then I'm an independent, so take my opinion with a big grain of salt.
     
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  15. Ken Anderson

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    Since he was actually impeached, they could hardly ignore that one.
     
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