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Discussion in 'Tall Tales & Fabrications' started by Joe Riley, Jul 4, 2016.
Did you know that the Liberty Bell is on United Nations property? The irony both saddens and amuses me.
No, I didn't...tell me more.
Tall Tales...is not my favorite forum. I keep reading stuff here by accident, and only later realize that everyone is supposed .to make up stuff.
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The Liberty Bell is in the Liberty Bell Center in Independence National Historical Park, which is a World Heritage Site, a landmark or area selected by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), and administered by the UNESCO World Heritage Committee.
Davy Crockett was a scoundrel and ne'er do well. I doubt he ever mended anything.
Things We Get Wrong About David Crockett
I’m not sure ne’re do well is a correct description if we look at what his life consisted of.
He worked on cattle drives as an indentured worker to pay off the family debts and when that was completed he also worked on a farm as an apprentice.
His dad (John) later indentured David again for the same reasons mentioned above so most of his earlier life was spent doing some pretty hard work and in some pretty rough and tumble situations.
He probably cussed, spit, kicked things and people and didn’t take a whole lot of guff from anyone and maybe didn’t take a whole lot of baths but even so, it kind of fits the woking, almost slave like, narrative that was imposed upon him as a lad and younger man.
Now, if you’re referring to the fact that he served in congress, well, I have no love loss for politicians but while in congress David Crockett did the unthinkable and opposed Andrew Jackson’s “Indian Removel Act” which lost him a re-election to office.
Later, he was given the position as a Colonel in the Tennessee militia and of course everyone knows of his eventual demise at the Alamo.
Scoundrel might be a possible partial description of the man but someone who “never did well” might be a stretch.
Ahh, but he also bought his way into Congress in the first place with whiskey. As only men could vote in those days, and there weren't many in his district, he offered to buy whiskey for everyone who voted for him; it was before "buying votes" was illegal. For much of his adult life, he worshipped the ground Jackson walked on because he was good at using Indians then abandoning them, just as Crockett did with two wives and accompanying children. He would stay home long enough to get them pregnant, then leave them to fend for themselves. His second wife and family were left while he went to Texas to be killed, having a good deal of fun on the way. He was tough but unscrupulous. Daniel Boone, on the other hand was a good man, albeit naïve and not terribly bright. He had good leadership skill, however, and managed to accomplish quite a lot despite having being swindled out of his materials goods several times because he trusted the wrong people and made wrong decisions.
Walt Disney fed the Crockett legend, but if you read what people really thought of him in the late 19th century...it wasn't much. His reputation was cleaned up a bit in the early 20th century and Disney made him into a hero.
What do you expect from a "Mickey Mouse" outfit?
Another count against him is that he helped Jackson found the Democratic party. A lot of Dems think that Jefferson was their founder, but Jackson changed the Democratic-Republicans to Democrats as an anti-Indian, pro-slavery party. The Federalists were dying off and were replaced by the Whigs as an anti-Jackson Party. Whigs wandered around with no other purpose once Jackson was out of office and were replaced by the Republican Party as an anti-slavery, abolitionist party. Ironically, most Blacks now vote with the pro-slavery, anti-civil rights party, largely I'm afraid, due to the welfare benefits. Even the "War on Poverty" of Lyndon Johnson ended up destroying the Black family.
I was in Philly, on July 4, 1966, for the 190th Celebration. I got to run my fingers along the crack in the Liberty Bell....along with a group of black school children. It was a special moment for me!
You're no longer allowed to touch it after someone took a hammer to it.
I seem to recall that it was "under glass" for the Bicentennial.
Yeah, you can't get very close to it at all now.
Although I do give some of Dave's later problems a little space due to the way he was raised, there is absolutely no excuse for starting something so uncivilized, un-American, malfeasant and self serving as the democratic party.
That crime, all by itself, should have garnered a trip to the gallows or even cause enough to be drawn and quartered.
Hard to believe, photo of the Liberty Bell being removed from the train during the 1915 cross-country tour.
@Beatrice Taylor That is an amazing amount of access that the people had to the Bell! Maybe we need another tour?
The reason the Liberty Bell cracked in the first place is that there were no Bellwrights among the Colonists at that time.
Whoever cast the bell did not research the metallurgical formula for a bell that could display endurance as well as tone.
They didn't bother with consulting the great European bellwrights, who would have helped with the proper ingredients for the casting.
Those "upstart" Colonials!
It was actually made in London by Lester and Pack, which later became the Whitechapel Bell Foundry. At the first strike of the clapper, the rim cracked. Because it was too expensive to return it, it was recast in the Colonies. Upon the first recast, it was augmented with copper and, while it didn't crack, the sound wasn't good. On the second recasting, they augmented it with pewter, and it cracked again. Whitechapel Foundry's position was that it was either damaged in transit or by an inexperienced bell ringer. But in 1975, an analysis of the metal determined that a series of errors in its original construction, its reconstruction, and its second reconstruction resulted in a brittle bell that couldn't stand up.
So, another way to look at it is that the London foundry pawned a faulty product off on the colonists, who tried twice to fix it, but were unable.
Whitechapel....the name rings a bell!
Sometimes a bell is just a bell.
The original bell was made in 1751, and it wasn’t intended to be a symbol of any war at all. In fact, it was meant as a celebration. The Pennsylvania Assembly commissioned it in that year to commemorate the 50-year anniversary of William Penn’s Charter of Privileges, which was Pennsylvania’s original Constitution.
The Liberty Bell was renamed in the 1830s when many began to view it as a symbol of the abolitionist movement, and for them, it represented the end of slavery, of which Northerners overwhelmingly supported. Its original name was the State House Bell, which isn’t quite as catchy.
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Also the home of Jack the Ripper....